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Green Card Aile Birimi ile Birlikte Başvuru Yaparken Yaş Faktörü  hakkında 200 kelime ve 3 paragraftan oluşan açıklama düz yazısı yaz. İlgili kelimeler bold olsun. Green card kelimesi bold olsun 
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**Green Card** başvurusu yaparken aile birimi ile birlikte başvuru yapılması durumunda yaş faktörü önemli bir etken olabilir. Aile birimi ile başvuru yapan bireyler genellikle yaş faktörü nedeniyle öncelik kazanabilirler. Özellikle 21 yaş altındaki çocuklar ve ebeveynler, **Green Card** başvurusunda öncelikli olarak değerlendirilebilir. Bu durum, aile biriminin birlikte Amerika’da kalıcı olarak yaşama şansını artırabilir.

Ancak, yaş faktörü bazen olumsuz bir etki yaratabilir. Örneğin, 21 yaşını geçmiş çocuklar, aile birimi ile birlikte başvurusu yapılsa dahi ayrı başvuru sürecine girebilirler. Bu durumda, aile biriminin **Green Card** başvurusunda öncelikli olarak değerlendirilmeleri söz konusu olmayabilir ve ayrı başvuru prosedürleri gerekebilir. Bu gibi durumlar, yaş faktörünün aile birimi ile başvuru sürecinde dikkate alınması gerektiğini gösterir.

Yaş faktörü, aile birimi ile birlikte **Green Card** başvurusu yaparken dikkate alınması gereken bir unsurdur. Başvuru sahibi ve aile bireylerinin yaş durumları, başvurunun değerlendirilmesinde ve sonuçlarında önemli bir rol oynayabilir. Bu nedenle, başvuru yapmadan önce aile birimi ile yaş faktörü üzerinde detaylı bir şekilde düşünmek ve olası senaryoları göz önünde bulundurmak faydalı olabilir. Bu sayede, aile birimi ile birlikte **Green Card** başvurusu yaparken yaş faktörünün potansiyel etkilerine hazırlıklı olunabilir.

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Green Card Sağlık Muayenesi Maliyetleri ve Ödeme Yolları  hakkında 200 kelime ve 3 paragraftan oluşan açıklama düz yazısı yaz. İlgili kelimeler bold olsun. Green card kelimesi bold olsun
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**Green Card** başvurusu yaparken, sağlık muayenesi geçirme ve bu muayenenin maliyetleri ile karşılaşabilirsiniz. Green Card başvurusunda sağlık muayenesi zorunlu bir adımdır ve bu muayene genellikle adayın genel sağlık durumunu değerlendirmek amacıyla yapılır. Sağlık muayenelerinin maliyetleri farklı klinikler ve sağlık kuruluşları arasında değişebilir ve bu maliyetler zaman zaman yüksek olabilmektedir.

Sağlık muayenesi maliyetlerinin ödenmesi konusunda birkaç farklı seçenek bulunmaktadır. Genellikle, adaylar sağlık muayenesi maliyetlerini kendi ödemekle sorumludur. Bu durumda, muayene ücretleri nakit veya kredi kartıyla ödenebilir. Bazı durumlarda, adayların işverenleri ya da sigorta şirketleri sağlık muayene maliyetlerini karşılayabilir. Bu durumda, adayın işvereniyle veya sigorta şirketi ile iletişime geçerek ödeme detaylarını ve kapsamını öğrenmek önemlidir.

Sağlık muayenesi maliyetleri ve ödeme yolları hakkında detaylı bilgi almak ve doğru kararlar vermek, Green Card başvuru sürecinde önemli bir adımdır. Sağlık muayenesi maliyetlerinin ödenmesi konusunda planlı ve detaylı bir yaklaşım, başvurunun sorunsuz ve güvenilir bir şekilde ilerlemesini sağlayabilir. Bu nedenle, sağlık muayenesi maliyetlerini ve ödeme yollarını önceden araştırmak ve hazırlıklı olmak, Green Card başvurunuzun başarılı bir şekilde tamamlanmasına yardımcı olabilir.

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Green Card Ceza Kaydı ile Green Card Başvurusu hakkında 200 kelime ve 3 paragraftan oluşan açıklama düz yazısı yaz. İlgili kelimeler bold olsun. Green card kelimesi bold olsun
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**Green Card** başvurusu yaparken, **ceza kaydı** ve adli sicil durumu önemli bir rol oynar. Green Card başvurusu yapan adayların cezasız ve suçsuz olmaları gereklidir. ABD Göçmenlik ve Vatandaşlık Hizmetleri (USCIS), başvuru sahiplerinin ceza kayıtlarını detaylı bir şekilde inceleyerek, olumsuz bir ceza kaydı olan bireylerin başvurularını reddedebilir. Bu nedenle, Green Card başvurusu yapmadan önce adayların ceza kayıtlarını ve adli sicillerini kontrol etmeleri önemlidir.

Green Card başvurusu sırasında, adayın ceza kaydı bulunması halinde başvuru sürecinde sorunlar yaşanabilir. Ceza kaydı olan bireylerin başvuru süreci daha karmaşık hale gelebilir ve onay almak daha zor olabilir. Ayrıca, ceza kaydı olan adaylar, Green Card başvurusunda belirli yasal zorluklarla karşılaşabilirler ve başvuruları reddedilebilir. Bu nedenle, Green Card başvurusu yapmayı düşünen adayların adli sicillerini düzenli olarak kontrol etmeleri ve olası sorunları önceden çözüme kavuşturmaları önemlidir.

Başvuru sürecinde ceza kaydı gibi olumsuz bir durumla karşılaşan bireyler, başvuru sürecinde uzman bir göçmenlik avukatından destek alabilirler. Uzmanlar, adayların hukuki durumlarını değerlendirerek gerekli adımları atmasına yardımcı olabilirler. Ceza kaydı olan bireylerin başvuru sürecinde daha bilinçli ve hazırlıklı olmaları, başvuru sürecini daha başarılı bir şekilde tamamlamalarına yardımcı olabilir.

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green card kelimesi bold olsun
ASSISTANT
**Green Card** başvurusu yaparken, **ceza kaydı** ve adli sicil durumu önemli bir rol oynar. Green Card başvurusu yapan adayların cezasız ve suçsuz olmaları gereklidir. ABD Göçmenlik ve Vatandaşlık Hizmetleri (USCIS), başvuru sahiplerinin ceza kayıtlarını detaylı bir şekilde inceleyerek, olumsuz bir ceza kaydı olan bireylerin başvurularını reddedebilir. Bu nedenle, **Green Card** başvurusu yapmadan önce adayların ceza kayıtlarını ve adli sicillerini kontrol etmeleri önemlidir.

**Green Card** başvurusu sırasında, adayın ceza kaydı bulunması halinde başvuru sürecinde sorunlar yaşanabilir. Ceza kaydı olan bireylerin başvuru süreci daha karmaşık hale gelebilir ve onay almak daha zor olabilir. Ayrıca, ceza kaydı olan adaylar, **Green Card** başvurusunda belirli yasal zorluklarla karşılaşabilirler ve başvuruları reddedilebilir. Bu nedenle, **Green Card** başvurusu yapmayı düşünen adayların adli sicillerini düzenli olarak kontrol etmeleri ve olası sorunları önceden çözüme kavuşturmaları önemlidir.

Başvuru sürecinde ceza kaydı gibi olumsuz bir durumla karşılaşan bireyler, başvuru sürecinde uzman bir göçmenlik avukatından destek alabilirler. Uzmanlar, adayların hukuki durumlarını değerlendirerek gerekli adımları atmasına yardımcı olabilirler. Ceza kaydı olan bireylerin başvuru sürecinde daha bilinçli ve hazırlıklı olmaları, başvuru sürecini daha başarılı bir şekilde tamamlamalarına yardımcı olabilir.

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模拟资深的论文写作专家,对我的论文内容进行精简:
随着经济的不断发展,人类对能 源的需求与日俱增,但是含碳能源的大量使用带来的是二氧化碳排放量增多,产生了温室效应。为了人类的可 持续发展,各国签订《巴黎协定》一 起应对气候变化。党的十八大中,将环境保护纳入经济发展的全局。“十三五”以来,国家和地方出台了许多建设生态文明的改革方案和法规加强生态环境保护。 
碳排放是大气污染的重要来源, 据资料显示,我国全部火电机组的温 室气体排放量约占全国碳排放量的40%,因此对于电力行业进行碳排放 的控制与管理就尤为重要。我国先设 立了七个碳排放交易试点,试点成功 后,建立了全国碳交易市场,第一个被 纳入的就是电力行业,据《企业温室 气体排放信息披露问题研究》显示, 超20个省市出现了典型的碳排放信息 披露案例,5省要求企业披露碳排放 信息,目前企业碳排放信息披露程度 滞后于政府要求,还处于初级阶段。 
本文结合碳会计、碳会计披露的相关理论以及国内外碳会计披露的相 关研究,对华能国际披露现状分析,发现其在信息披露中的问题并提出可 行性建议,帮助企业在碳会计信息披 露方面更加规范和系统。我国虽建立了碳交易市场,但还没有统一碳会计 信息披露框架,缺乏相应的准则与法律规范的指导。因此,研究企业的碳 会计信息披露有一定的理论意义。 
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随着经济发展,人类对能源需求显著增加。然而,大量使用含碳能源导致二氧化碳排放增加,产生温室效应各国签订《巴黎协定》应对气候变化。党的十八大将环境保护纳入经济发展全局,自“十三五”以来,国家和地方出台多项生态文明建设方案和法规。

碳排放是大气污染的主要来源。我国火电机组的温室气体排放约占全国碳排放量的40%,因此电力行业的碳排放控制尤为重要。我国设立了七个碳排放交易试点并成功建立全国碳交易市场,首个纳入的行业是电力行业。据《企业温室气体排放信息披露问题研究》,超20省市有典型碳排放信息披露案例,5省要求企业披露碳排信息,但披露程度仍滞后政府要求,处于初级阶段。

本文结合碳会计、碳会计披露理论及相关研究,分析华能国际信息披露现状,发现问题并提出建议,旨在规范企业碳会计信息披露。虽然我国已建立碳交易市场,但缺乏统一的碳会计信息披露框架和相应准则法规,因此研究企业碳会计信息披露具有理论意义。

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D Dubbs
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#21
I just deleted my whole entire response to your post, but here's the short version:

- We were comparing different ratings. I wasn't pitting ABC and CW against each other, I was looking at each block compared to their overall rating a year ago.

- Pokémon does well at 9 AM on Cartoon Network.

- Kamen Rider Dragon Knight won't premiere in Japan first, since it's an English adaptation, not a dub.

- 4Kids' revenue was up this last quarter, they just had bigger losses from upgrading their Chaotic website and other stuff of the sort. The revenue from the Chaotic TCG doubled from $2.4 million to over $5 million from the first to second quarter, so it's pretty clear that consumers is not getting tired of card games. In fact, it's one of the businesses that has remained stable in spite of a weakening economy.
mumbo
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#22
Jeff Harris said:
[ratings breakdown]
Okay, I concede that the ABC Kids has gained ground over the CW over the past year when in direct competition. So in that aspect I was wrong.

But it doesn't change the fact that as a whole, the CW4Kids' ratings have remained on par with the Kids' WB's a year ago. Overall the Kids' WB got 0.98 on average in the same weeks that the CW4Kids, in a transition phase with some obvious water-testing going on, got 0.88. A pretty neglible difference when considering the circumstances. So the CW4Kids' performance isn't really any worse on its own, though it is in comparison with one of its competitors anyway, ABC Kids.

Regardless, the real testing grounds will be the 2008-09 season, which unfortunately doesn't get into full swing until the midseason. 4Kids will be off to a slow start for sure, the test will be to see how their new programming for the block in the midseason will do.

Nope. Not misinformed. Some episodes ARE done right now, about three or four to be exact. The entire 13-episode season won't be ready until January, but it will launch in the spring.
And they undoubtedly won't receive the season until it's complete. So no, I'm sure they can't show four or five new episodes in the fall like you said.

Besides, the show has pretty strong continuity, so it would probably do better with continuous new episodes rather than having it broken up constantly.

And none of them are owned by Warner Bros. Animation. They could have continued Tom and Jerry Tales and Legion of Super Heroes and they could have aired Brave and the Bold on C4K, but they won't, and they didn't.
The fact that none of them are WBA should be a hint that 4Kids won't have the rights to them come September, so they can't. Why else would they bring back Skunk Fu instead of continuing with the successful Tom & Jerry Tales?

Japan will disagree with you on Kamen Rider Dragon Knight, and Canada will disagree with you on Rollbots. If the cards play themselves right, Canada will also disagree with you on season two of Spectacular Spider-Man.

Canada's already getting the world premiere of Wolverine and the X-Men in a couple of weeks. You DID know that, right?
If you want to get nitpicky, Dragon Knight is an American adaptation of Ryuki rather than a dub, so it's not quite what aired in Japan. RollBots will be premering at roughly the same time (February 09) and I can basically guarantee that Teletoon won't be showing Season 2 of Spectacular Spider-Man first. Teletoon schedules things really oddly, though, so they're hard to predict.

And what does Wolverine and the X-Men have to do with anything?

Yes. Humorous shows work in earlier timeslots. Action properties don't
Chaotic did great in the 9:00 AM timeslot.

Did you perhaps think that 4Kids is losing money because kids aren't really thrilled with a myriad of card-game based series year after year? Kids aren't stupid you know. And for the record, 4Kids has the exact same kind of deal with Fox as they have with The CW. The difference is that instead of one sucker, two suckers are paying 4Kids (Time Warner and CBS).
The Fox deal costs more for less timeslots, that's the difference. That's what Kahn has been kvetching about the entire time.

Besides, only two of the shows have a card game that actually plays a role in it (no, there really isn't a card game aspect in Dinosaur King, despite that being the kind of property it's based on). That's hardly a "myriad."

Why would The CW go with a competitor that is STILL programming their competitor in the same season? That's moronic.
Because 4Kids is basically abandoning that competitor, which with its lineup will undoubtely take a huge hit this season, and within a year that competitor will be completely eliminated from the picture.

That and yeah, the people running the CW aren't all that smart.

And if you like the quality of programming coming from 4Kids, you would feel that way. I've come to expect something other than card-game-based shows and toyetic properties 4Kids exemplifies, and I felt last season's lineup was one of the strongest they had in years. Pity The CW didn't continue to build up on that.
Different strokes I guess.
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#23
PC2 said:
If WB doesn't give a crap about cartoons anymore, then I think it's great that the block is now run by a company who does. And I personally think the fall lineup for CW4Kids looks to be the best they've had since Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh first aired on the block.

I agree WB dosen't care about cartoons, ending a very long era. Goodbye:
Bugs Bunny and the Looney Tunes

Scooby-Doo

Yogi Bear

Flinstones

Jetsons

Batman, Superman (with the exception of Brave and the Bold)

Justice League

And so many others.
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#24
It is true that CW has made some bad business decisions, but at the end of the day what matters is the shows. The reasons CW/Kids WB/4 Kids are doing bad is because most of their shows aren't interesting enough. Hence why it's getting beat by reruns of Hannah Montana. Let's face it, this is Saturday morning. It's not as if they are moving shows around (like the primetime people are doing with certain shows) and kids can't find it. The fact is that they can, but just don't watch it cause they see the ads and say, "looks stupid" and watch reruns of cable shows.

peterg14 said:
If CW actually ended soon and the Fox arrangement is going up in smoke, then 4Kids would either try to move to My Network TV, and since there getting WWE Smackdown! to boost their ratings, a Saturday morning block would help them try and gain some more footing as a network (and since 4Kids already airs My Network TV here is a little bonus for me, hehe.) or stream their shows online and sell stuff like Spider-Man and TMNT to Cartoon Network, Nick, or Disney.

Yea, it's amazing how a dumb little network that began with silly primetime soaps is improving as a result of CW's mistakes. lol.

D Dubbs said:
I thought you of all people would know that putting a show on earlier in the morning doesn't mean less people will watch it.

That's kind of true. The truth is that you NEVER air your best show at 8am. But, yea, 9am is not bad at all. I recall as a kid that most, if not all of us, were awake by 9am anyway.

Jeff Harris said:
In YOUR area, CW4Kids airs like that, but that's not apparent for the bulk of the country. Some are time-adjusted. Some air the block on Sundays. Some don't air the block at all.

And some air it on a completely different channel. That's what happened with me and FOX Kids back in the `90s. It aired on one of the Independent Stations. Then that station became a WB affilate in 1995 (with the launch of the network) and for TWO years I got FOX Kids AND Kids WB on the same exact channel. In other words, in my city these two line-ups weren't even going against each other. Then, after two years FOX Kids moved to another Independent Station for a year till moving to UPN affliate where it remained till the merger in 2006. Now, it airs on My Network TV.
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#25
Jeff Harris said:
Well, that's your tastes. If you want cheaply-dubbed marketable children's entertainment, then by all means you're going to be supportive of

Hasn't "cheaply-dubbed marketable children's entertainment" been a staple of KidsWB after they started to air 2 hours of Pokemon/Yu-Gi-Oh years ago?


And again, why would the newer shows premiere later in the season rather than earlier? I'd think one would want to see more than two new series, not just something familiar.
Didn't Spectacular Spider-Man originally premiere in March?


And if you like the quality of programming coming from 4Kids, you would feel that way. I've come to expect something other than card-game-based shows and toyetic properties 4Kids exemplifies, and I felt last season's lineup was one of the strongest they had in years. Pity The CW didn't continue to build up on that.
As long as the cartoon is interesting, the nature of their origin doesn't matter.

Personally, I will wait to see how CW4Kids fairs once they get their own lineup in place with new episodes.

Old Guy said:
And some air it on a completely different channel. That's what happened with me and FOX Kids back in the `90s. It aired on one of the Independent Stations. Then that station became a WB affilate in 1995 (with the launch of the network) and for TWO years I got FOX Kids AND Kids WB on the same exact channel. In other words, in my city these two line-ups weren't even going against each other. Then, after two years FOX Kids moved to another Independent Station for a year till moving to UPN affliate where it remained till the merger in 2006. Now, it airs on My Network TV.

Up until 2003 Foxkids/FoxBox aired on the local Fox affliate before moving to the UPN affliate, conversely KidsWB had for a long time had been scheduled on sundays on an independent station up until 2004, before moving to the WB affliate and saturdays
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#26
Toon Out said:
Up until 2003 Foxkids/FoxBox aired on the local Fox affliate before moving to the UPN affliate, conversely KidsWB had for a long time had been scheduled on sundays on an independent station up until 2004, before moving to the WB affliate and saturdays

It's amazing how affliates treat cartoons, man. Nowadays I can understand, but back in the `90s, for example, it was kinda dumb. My local FOX decided not to air the line-up in favor of news. Why? I mean, most people watch the news at either 6pm and/or 11pm. So, what's the point of airing so much news? Especially when at the time, FOX Kids had Power Rangers and Animaniacs which were the two biggest kids shows. They could have been making so much ad money that instead went to an Indy Station.
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#27
I don't think I've managed to watch a single show on CW all summer, since Spectacular Spider-Man had its finale
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#28
Toon Out said:
Hasn't "cheaply-dubbed marketable children's entertainment" been a staple of KidsWB after they started to air 2 hours of Pokemon/Yu-Gi-Oh years ago?
Yeah. Remember the company that brought you those shows initially as well. Now, instead of two hours, there's at least double that amount. And at least one hour of that is Chaotic reruns.

Didn't Spectacular Spider-Man originally premiere in March?
If you want to nitpick, yeah, and they ran out of episodes because they only showed 12 of the 13 for about 15 weeks. Compare that to Legion of Super Heroes premiered with a cycle of four episodes at the beginning of the season, another cycle of four episodes around late October, a small cycle of two episodes in mid-January, and the final cycle of three episodes in March. Because we still have the foolish 13-episode seasons on most domestically-made fare, American shows have a sad lifespan in this country. And when an episodic series like Spectacular Spider-Man airs in a row like they did, the season seems kind of short.

As long as the cartoon is interesting, the nature of their origin doesn't matter.
I completely agree with this comment and will add no more to it.

mumbo said:
The fact that none of them are WBA should be a hint that 4Kids won't have the rights to them come September, so they can't. Why else would they bring back Skunk Fu instead of continuing with the successful Tom & Jerry Tales?
You know how much of Skunk Fu 4Kids owns?

NONE. They got broadcast rights to the new season because Cartoon Network surprisingly ordered another season AND a movie. New episodes means another broadcast venue.

You want to know why Tom and Jerry Tales ISN'T coming back on? It's not because the crew behind the series didn't want to make another season, because they did. 4Kids chose not to renew the series because it doesn't fit their public persona.

So, instead of Tom and Jerry Tales, stay tuned to Viva Pinata!

If you want to get nitpicky, Dragon Knight is an American adaptation of Ryuki rather than a dub, so it's not quite what aired in Japan.
Yeah, but the Japanese saw the original first. The UK will probably end up airing Dragon Knight first about the beginning of the year.

RollBots will be premiering at roughly the same time (February 09)
YTV tentatively has it coming on around October or so. It is their property, you know.

I can basically guarantee that Teletoon won't be showing Season 2 of Spectacular Spider-Man first. Teletoon schedules things really oddly, though, so they're hard to predict.
Well, Teletoon premieres the series next week, and it still wouldn't surprise me if they at least preview the second season before C4K does if not premiere the first couple of episodes before it airs in the US.

And what does Wolverine and the X-Men have to do with anything?
Wolverine and the X-Men is airing in the US on Nicktoons Network beginning in March. YTV will premiere Wolverine and the X-Men in a couple of weeks. They're getting the series, which is ready, first, though Marvel had originally said the episodes wouldn't be ready until next year, which we know now is untrue.

Chaotic did great in the 9:00 AM timeslot.
And Shaggy and Scooby-Doo did better in the 9 AM timeslot.

The Fox deal costs more for less timeslots, that's the difference. That's what Kahn has been kvetching about the entire time.
So, instead of doing what any real businessman would do and renegotiate for a better contract, they actually chose to go to competitor with one extra e/i-filled hour instead? And they chose to fill that extra hour with reruns of Chaotic when they do?

Here's a concept. Why won't they just stop being subservient to a broadcast network and launch their own network? Are they so cheap not to launch a potentially marketable children's network or are they afraid they'll be exposed as a one-card-trick pony?

Besides, only two of the shows have a card game that actually plays a role in it (no, there really isn't a card game aspect in Dinosaur King, despite that being the kind of property it's based on). That's hardly a "myriad."
Well, games play a lot of roles in the type of programming 4Kids pick up. They picked up Yu-Gi-Oh, Pokemon, Chaotic, Kirby, Sonic, Viva Pinata, DiGata, and Dinosaur King (the card game based on that property will launch 1Q 2009 with the rest of the merchandising). Properties that they didn't turn into game properties like One Piece, G.I. Joe, and Shaman King were given the heave-ho. The only reason TMNT is still big is because they get a huge cut of every merchandise thanks to their licensing arrangements.

Because 4Kids is basically abandoning that competitor, which with its lineup will undoubtedly take a huge hit this season
Its lineup, I might remind you, is STILL programmed by 4Kids until the end of the season.

and within a year that competitor will be completely eliminated from the picture.
So, you're saying that 4Kids is basically abandoning its other block, at risk of ruining their own reputation and status, leaving behind the fans that still remain watching the block, and creating a negative number in their finances, just for the sake of eliminating them? That's . . . stupid.

If 4Kids didn't have the CW deal to fall back on, then they wouldn't be so destructive towards their Fox block. But, if the mass exodus of CW affiliates (led by many of the flagship Tribune-owned affiliates in New York, Chicago, DC, Los Angeles, Denver, Portland, St. Louis, and New Orleans which have or in the process of shedding the CW branding from their on-air personas) is enacted at the end of the season, there might not even be a CW at season's end.

Then what?

No network means no deal. No deal means no block on the CW. And 4Kids' loss on Fox could be another studio's gain. Right now, Cookie Jar, Taffy, and Nelvana, already looking to expand into broadcast television in the US because of February's upcoming digital transition, may have their eyes set on a potential Fox deal, because Fox still wants the audience.

But stranger things have happened. I bet 4Kids realizes something's wrong at The CW, they will grovel on their knees and try to renew their ties with Fox.
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You know how much of Skunk Fu 4Kids owns?

NONE. They got broadcast rights to the new season because Cartoon Network surprisingly ordered another season AND a movie. New episodes means another broadcast venue.

Well that puts to rest that CN was airing the series to cash in on the Kung Fu Panda craze and they would dump it once Fall came along.
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Jeff Harris said:
Yeah. Remember the company that brought you those shows initially as well. Now, instead of two hours, there's at least double that amount. And at least one hour of that is Chaotic reruns.


Yet even after KidsWB stop airing Pokemon/Yu-Gi-Oh, they still had plenty of these types of shows, anyone programming a Saturday mourning block or animation block in general is likely going to rely on overseas animated fare, since they don't have to pay production cost and only have to cheaply dub them into english.

If you want to nitpick, yeah, and they ran out of episodes because they only showed 12 of the 13 for about 15 weeks. Compare that to Legion of Super Heroes premiered with a cycle of four episodes at the beginning of the season, another cycle of four episodes around late October, a small cycle of two episodes in mid-January, and the final cycle of three episodes in March. Because we still have the foolish 13-episode seasons on most domestically-made fare, American shows have a sad lifespan in this country. And when an episodic series like Spectacular Spider-Man airs in a row like they did, the season seems kind of short.
So we can agree the real problem is the short 13-episode seasons, you will either get a disjointed season artificially made longer by huge gaps or a shorter season where the episodes run concurrent.


No network means no deal. No deal means no block on the CW. And 4Kids' loss on Fox could be another studio's gain. Right now, Cookie Jar, Taffy, and Nelvana, already looking to expand into broadcast television in the US because of February's upcoming digital transition, may have their eyes set on a potential Fox deal, because Fox still wants the audience.

But stranger things have happened. I bet i4Kids realizes something's wrong at The CW, they will grovel on their knees and try to renew their ties with Fox.
In this case if Fox doesn't go with 4Kids, I can see them getting out of Saturday mourning cartoons, maybe go with a news show, Fox jumped the Saturday mourning animation ship long before WB did.
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Yeah. Remember the company that brought you those shows initially as well. Now, instead of two hours, there's at least double that amount. And at least one hour of that is Chaotic reruns.

Okay, now you lost me. You're saying that CW4Kids has at least four hours of "cheaply-dubbed marketable children's entertainment?" They only have one hour of anime on the block, for crying out loud. Everything else on the block is either produced by 4Kids or was originally in English to begin with.

Jeff Harris said:
You want to know why Tom and Jerry Tales ISN'T coming back on? It's not because the crew behind the series didn't want to make another season, because they did. 4Kids chose not to renew the series because it doesn't fit their public persona.

So, instead of Tom and Jerry Tales, stay tuned to Viva Pinata!

Since when is it wrong to not order more episodes of a show? The ratings for the show have been gradually dwindling since the beginning of the year, so why should 4Kids order more episodes of a show that's on its way out? It's a logical decision, and if Kids' WB was still around, the forces behind the block may have very well done the same thing.

Jeff Harris said:
So, instead of doing what any real businessman would do and renegotiate for a better contract, they actually chose to go to competitor with one extra e/i-filled hour instead? And they chose to fill that extra hour with reruns of Chaotic when they do?

Who's to say they didn't try to negotiate a better contract in the past? If FOX didn't give them any leeway, of course they'd move somewhere else.

And what's wrong with a two slots of Chaotic? It's the only doubling of any show on the block, which means the rest of the slots are being used to their full availability.

Jeff Harris said:
Here's a concept. Why won't they just stop being subservient to a broadcast network and launch their own network? Are they so cheap not to launch a potentially marketable children's network or are they afraid they'll be exposed as a one-card-trick pony?

Oh, but they have started a new network. It's called 4Kids.tv and right now you can watch over 1000 episodes on their online video player. Why set up a brand new network when pretty much any kid can already watch any of their shows whenever they want?

Jeff Harris said:
Well, games play a lot of roles in the type of programming 4Kids pick up. They picked up Yu-Gi-Oh, Pokemon, Chaotic, Kirby, Sonic, Viva Pinata, DiGata, and Dinosaur King (the card game based on that property will launch 1Q 2009 with the rest of the merchandising). Properties that they didn't turn into game properties like One Piece, G.I. Joe, and Shaman King were given the heave-ho. The only reason TMNT is still big is because they get a huge cut of every merchandise thanks to their licensing arrangements.

So now instead of criticizing 4Kids for having card game shows, you're criticizing them for having any show that is in someway related to a game?

Jeff Harris said:
So, you're saying that 4Kids is basically abandoning its other block, at risk of ruining their own reputation and status, leaving behind the fans that still remain watching the block, and creating a negative number in their finances, just for the sake of eliminating them? That's . . . stupid.

No, it's actually quite the opposite. Fans on 4Kids.tv have been asking thousands upon thousands of times to bring back their favorite shows, and that's exactly what 4Kids is doing. You have Sonic X, Winx Club, TMNT, Kirby, the return of Di-Gata, and a few new series (Chaotic and Biker Mice) mixed in with those. This year, 4Kids TV is basically "The Best of 4Kids TV" and even though the new format of the block is in its early stages, it has already proven fairly successful.

Jeff Harris said:
If 4Kids didn't have the CW deal to fall back on, then they wouldn't be so destructive towards their Fox block. But, if the mass exodus of CW affiliates (led by many of the flagship Tribune-owned affiliates in New York, Chicago, DC, Los Angeles, Denver, Portland, St. Louis, and New Orleans which have or in the process of shedding the CW branding from their on-air personas) is enacted at the end of the season, there might not even be a CW at season's end.

Then what?

No network means no deal. No deal means no block on the CW. And 4Kids' loss on Fox could be another studio's gain. Right now, Cookie Jar, Taffy, and Nelvana, already looking to expand into broadcast television in the US because of February's upcoming digital transition, may have their eyes set on a potential Fox deal, because Fox still wants the audience.

But stranger things have happened. I bet 4Kids realizes something's wrong at The CW, they will grovel on their knees and try to renew their ties with Fox.
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Ah, this takes me back to another point I brought up earlier: 4Kids.tv.

Over the past four months, the traffic on 4Kids' website has increased exponentially. Within a period of four months, 4Kids.tv has more than doubled their episode streams (in March, there were roughly 6,000,000 streams, for July, there were 13,000,000 streams).

Now, those numbers may seem relatively small now, but if the current rate of increase holds up, 4Kids won't even need a presence on TV within a few years. That'll just be an extra layer of frosting on the cake.
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Yet even after KidsWB stop airing Pokemon/Yu-Gi-Oh, they still had plenty of these types of shows, anyone programming a Saturday mourning block or animation block in general is likely going to rely on overseas animated fare, since they don't have to pay production cost and only have to cheaply dub them into english.
You know, after Kids' WB stopped airing Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh, they didn't have shows just like those. They had shows like Shaggy and Scooby-Doo Get A Clue, Legion of Super Heroes, additional seasons of Johnny Test, The Batman, and a repeat airing of Xiaolin Showdown. A season later, they added Magi-Nation, and they buried that in early morning.

So we can agree the real problem is the short 13-episode seasons, you will either get a disjointed season artificially made longer by huge gaps or a shorter season where the episodes run concurrent.
Yes. Yes we can.

D Dubbs said:
Okay, now you lost me. You're saying that CW4Kids has at least four hours of "cheaply-dubbed marketable children's entertainment?" They only have one hour of anime on the block, for crying out loud. Everything else on the block is either produced by 4Kids or was originally in English to begin with.
You know, you strike me as a southern end of a northern-bound moose at times, Dubby. The Russian show, Dinosaur King, and Yu-Gi-Oh are still cheaply-dubbed. A lot of their fare is cheaply made with limited entertainment value, especially to the Kids' WB viewers. They have cheaply-made series, including the Cookie Jar shows. The only show worth any salt on the block is Spectacular Spider-Man, and they're purposely burying that series.

Since when is it wrong to not order more episodes of a show? The ratings for the show have been gradually dwindling since the beginning of the year, so why should 4Kids order more episodes of a show that's on its way out?
It's not wrong not to order more episodes of a series. It's moronic to get rid of one of the highest-rated series on the block. That's what they did with Tom and Jerry. That's what they're going to do with Spider-Man at the end of the season (it's going elsewhere by season's end, and that's from some of the artists' mouths).

It's a logical decision, and if Kids' WB was still around, the forces behind the block may have very well done the same thing.
No, they would have at least have another season of LOSH and Tom and Jerry Tales. The Batman was already dust, but Brave and the Bold would have been KWB-bound . . . but then The CW sold their souls.

Who's to say they didn't try to negotiate a better contract in the past? If FOX didn't give them any leeway, of course they'd move somewhere else.
How much leeway did 4Kids really want, or better yet, how much leeway should they have for programming a four-hour programming block? 4Kids renamed the block from Fox Box to 4KidsTV giving them better brand recognition. 4Kids gained funds from ad time and such. 4Kids programmed the block to their whims with no interference from Fox. What more could Fox do? Did 4Kids want Fox to just hand over control of the entire network to them?

4Kids wanted a lot with the little channel space they've got, though in reality, they're work for hire. Fox isn't going to budge, and they'll be disappointed that The CW won't cater to their whims either.

And what's wrong with a two slots of Chaotic? It's the only doubling of any show on the block, which means the rest of the slots are being used to their full availability.
It's lazy and proves they don't have enough programming to satisfy the contract at launch.

Oh, but they have started a new network. It's called 4Kids.tv and right now you can watch over 1000 episodes on their online video player. Why set up a brand new network when pretty much any kid can already watch any of their shows whenever they want?
That's the thing. Not any kid can watch those shows whenever they want.

Want to know why?

Because it's not on television. And more people have access to television than broadband internet access. A television network, whether it's on cable or over-the-air, would be better received by children than a website.

So now instead of criticizing 4Kids for having card game shows, you're criticizing them for having any show that is in someway related to a game?
Yup. Sure am that. 4Kids is a one-trick pony, and the acquisitions they make pretty much proved that they're all about the games. Kamen Rider is the lone exception, but 4Kids doesn't own that property. They just air it.

No, it's actually quite the opposite. Fans on 4Kids.tv have been asking thousands upon thousands of times to bring back their favorite shows, and that's exactly what 4Kids is doing. You have Sonic X, Winx Club, TMNT, Kirby, the return of Di-Gata, and a few new series (Chaotic and Biker Mice) mixed in with those.
The only reason they're doing that is because they moved much of the original block to The CW, not because "the fans have been asking for them." They had nothing else to show.

Stop celebrating laziness.

This year, 4Kids TV is basically "The Best of 4Kids TV" and even though the new format of the block is in its early stages, it has already proven fairly successful.
Again, stop celebrating laziness! It's not a new format. They're airing reruns on two networks because they think kids are too stupid to realize any differently. And addled-minded folks think they're great for doing so. That's why they could get away with an "all-new" banner on a rerun of Yu-Gi-Oh GX.

Ah, this takes me back to another point I brought up earlier: 4Kids.TV
Over the past four months, the traffic on 4Kids' website has increased exponentially.
Ah, this takes me back to another point I brought up earlier:

Not everybody has access to broadband internet access.

There are plenty of fans that can't watch shows on the site because they don't have broadband. The television industry is still catering more to the haves than the have-nots, and that's shameful. A stand-alone linear digital subchannel over the airwaves from 4Kids Entertainment with all the shows they currently own domestic rights to would be an instant grab by channels craving digital content over-the-air. They'd definitely get more eyeballs because digital television is mandatory. Broadband internet isn't.
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#33
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Nope. Not misinformed. Some episodes ARE done right now, about three or four to be exact. The entire 13-episode season won't be ready until January, but it will launch in the spring. And then . . . well, let's just say there's already rumblings of a move to another network by this time next year.

And no, it's not Cartoon Network.

If it is Nicktoons Network I'll scream. I STILL don't get that channel even after switching to satellite. I love Spectacular Spider-Man a lot (I shamelessly admit it) so missing out on the rest of the series after 26 episodes would frankly suck. At least if I never see Wolverine And The X-Men I won't know what I'm missing. But in Spidey's case, I will know exactly what I am missing.

I hope CN gets off their butts and gets the show. The new action block, DAS, or Toonami could make serious use out of it.
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#34
I'm tiring of this argument, so I'll get down to the core.

Jeff Harris said:
The only reason they're doing that is because they moved much of the original block to The CW, not because "the fans have been asking for them." They had nothing else to show.

Again, stop celebrating laziness! It's not a new format. They're airing reruns on two networks because they think kids are too stupid to realize any differently. And addled-minded folks think they're great for doing so. That's why they could get away with an "all-new" banner on a rerun of Yu-Gi-Oh GX.

Of course it was a given fact ever since the CW deal was announced that there'd be repeats somewhere this fall. 4Kids is a small company and can't afford to purchase - let alone produce - 18 new series at one time. They're not being lazy; they're making do with what they can. They're pumping out a decent amount of new material (Viva Pinata, Biker Mice, Di-Gata, TMNT, Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's, Dinosaur King, and Chaotic) with several new shows on the way. This is actually a pretty decent improvement over 4Kids' output last year, and they would have no problem programming a single block. To be truthful, I think they very much regret buying the 08-09 season from FOX and would rather not be programming it. And because of that, 2009 is when the CW4Kids will be able to live to its full potential.

Blocks are never at their peak when they first begin, Jeff. Condemning the CW4Kids before it even has a chance to find its footing is too hasty on your part, at least in my humble opinion.
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#35
Jeff Harris said:
You know, after Kids' WB stopped airing Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh, they didn't have shows just like those. They had shows like Shaggy and Scooby-Doo Get A Clue, Legion of Super Heroes, additional seasons of Johnny Test, The Batman, and a repeat airing of Xiaolin Showdown. A season later, they added Magi-Nation, and they buried that in early morning.

Not that I was trying to imply those were the only shows they aired but, they also had shows like Spider-Riders, Eon Kid, Monster Allergy, Viewtiful Joe along with Magi-Nation. KidsWB has never had any qualms about using cheap animation as either filler or as the focal point of their animation block.


The Russian show, Dinosaur King, and Yu-Gi-Oh are still cheaply-dubbed. A lot of their fare is cheaply made with limited entertainment value, especially to the Kids' WB viewers. They have cheaply-made series, including the Cookie Jar shows.
I would be careful in making such statements about what KidsWB viewers find entertaining, considering shows such as Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh had for a long time been KidsWB's most popular and highest rated shows, and the cheaply-made Cookie Jar shows such as Magi-Nation and Will & Dewitt are remnants of the KidsWB.



No, they would have at least have another season of LOSH and Tom and Jerry Tales. The Batman was already dust, but Brave and the Bold would have been KWB-bound . . . but then The CW sold their souls.
Is there absolute proof there was to be a third LOSH season or that the Brave and Bold wasn't headed for the Clone Wars animation block on CN?



Yup. Sure am that. 4Kids is a one-trick pony, and the acquisitions they make pretty much proved that they're all about the games. Kamen Rider is the lone exception, but 4Kids doesn't own that property. They just air it.
Yes, ultimately 4Kids will attempt to show as many cartoons that they can market and license out, in this regard they are no different from Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon, they just have a lot less airtime to work with.


A stand-alone linear digital subchannel over the airwaves from 4Kids Entertainment with all the shows they currently own domestic rights to would be an instant grab by channels craving digital content over-the-air. They'd definitely get more eyeballs because digital television is mandatory. Broadband internet isn't.
That may very well be the next step for 4kids.
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The Internet is definitely the future of broadcasting, and it will only grow more and more prominent as broadband Internet reaches more and more homes every year. It's definitely a good strategy to build up a strong Internet viewing base for down the road. Obviously that shouldn't be their sole outlet yet but personally I think they're thinking ahead with the building up of their site.

As for laziness, WBA aren't entirely saints in this area. A slight, mild criticism I've had of them is relying a bit too heavily on their very well-established properties - Looney Tunes, DC, and Scooby Doo. How many different series can you make with Batman in it? They don't often bring anything entirely new to the table - Xialoin Showdown, Coconut Fred, Johnny Test (later handed over to Cookie Jar), and what else in the past couple of years? And I'm less than crazy about the last two. They play it just a little too safe, in my opinion anyway.

4Kids isn't very big and doesn't have a whole ton of money, so with their resources they could only use real expensive animation for two or three series tops. Chaotic's new season is looking very high-quality in the animation department. TMNT used to, though sadly its budget cuts have cut down on that.
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The Internet is definitely the future of broadcasting, and it will only grow more and more prominent as broadband Internet reaches more and more homes every year. It's definitely a good strategy to build up a strong Internet viewing base for down the road. Obviously that shouldn't be their sole outlet yet but personally I think they're thinking ahead with the building up of their site.
I'm not slamming 4Kids because they have a broadband channel. I know that the internet is a growing part of the broadcasting spectrum, and everybody's investing in it.

But I think that broadcasters are overlooking the potential of the digital television transition. You look at what's happened in the UK with services like Freeview and TopUpTV, and they're offering dozens and dozens of television channels of all types for its citizens free over-the-air (TopUpTV has premium outlets and has a much smaller fee than cable). The folks behind Hulu could offer a similar service Stateside, but they're not. It would be nice though.

As for laziness, WBA aren't entirely saints in this area. A slight, mild criticism I've had of them is relying a bit too heavily on their very well-established properties - Looney Tunes, DC, and Scooby Doo. How many different series can you make with Batman in it? They don't often bring anything entirely new to the table - Xialoin Showdown, Coconut Fred, Johnny Test (later handed over to Cookie Jar), and what else in the past couple of years? And I'm less than crazy about the last two. They play it just a little too safe, in my opinion anyway.
Hi.

We haven't been properly introduced.

I'm <PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED_PERSON>, the webmaster of The X Bridge and have been criticizing Warner Bros. and the units of Time Warner for YEARS.

I KNOW how lazy Warner Bros. Animation are. I also know how incompetant the Time Warner hierarchy are.

I know WBA (let's be real, Warner Bros. Animation doesn't really exist anymore, largely because Time Warner took away the studio's major programmer from them and there's an idiotic "rivalry" between them and Cartoon Network Productions) has been playing it safe. I would have loved to have seen that Monkeyman and O'Brien series they were planning. Hell, I would have killed to see that Top Cat update they scrapped. I'm also not fond of the numerous ways they could recreate Batman and Scooby-Doo. They rarely acknowledge they even own Looney Tunes these days, which is why the originals are no longer on television in the USA.

There's a reason I call Time Warner "the most poorly-ran entertainment company on the planet." Because they are. I may knock 4Kids for being a company dependent on gimmick-based series and such, but I'll never call them a poorly-ran company. They've already proved how lazy News Corp, CBS, and Time Warner are in running their children's entertainment blocks, so they do have that much respect from me.

Toon Out said:
Not that I was trying to imply those were the only shows they aired but, they also had shows like Spider-Riders, Eon Kid, Monster Allergy, Viewtiful Joe along with Magi-Nation. KidsWB has never had any qualms about using cheap animation as either filler or as the focal point of their animation block.
Spider Riders, Monster Allergy, and Viewtiful Joe came and went, replaced with better shows. And they all aired in tandem when Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon were still on the Kids' WB lineup, not afterwards, and definitely not the focal point. Eon Kid was a decent show and not what you call "cheap animation." The fact that they didn't even air the final episodes of the series is still troubling (hey, that could have been a month's worth of episodes on C4K)

I would be careful in making such statements about what KidsWB viewers find entertaining, considering shows such as Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh had for a long time been KidsWB's most popular and highest rated shows, and the cheaply-made Cookie Jar shows such as Magi-Nation and Will & Dewitt are remnants of the KidsWB.
They're keeping Magi-Nation and Will and Dewitt until 4Kids premieres that Russian show, which will replace one of them.

Is there absolute proof there was to be a third LOSH season or that the Brave and Bold wasn't headed for the Clone Wars animation block on CN?
Yeah, there was proof that there was going to be a third season because the writers plotted episodes before the 4Kids announcement was made in October last year. Brave and the Bold also wasn't going to be a Batman-heavy series either, but the final season of The Batman introduced a lot of the characters that's going to be on B&B to broadcast audiences. It would have been part of a linchpin for the block along with LOSH and Spectacular Spider-Man.

D Dubbs said:
Of course it was a given fact ever since the CW deal was announced that there'd be repeats somewhere this fall.
I think that The CW actually wanted at least four hours to be comprised of new episodes, not just a rerun fest.

4Kids is a small company and can't afford to purchase - let alone produce - 18 new series at one time. They're not being lazy; they're making do with what they can.
Okay, they're not being lazy.

They're stretching themselves out too thin.

4Kids didn't have to produce 18 new series at one time. They could have done well with nine. Five on The CW and four on Fox. They're not responsible for producing every series on the block according to the contracts for both Fox and The CW. Their only job is to program the blocks. The thing with 4Kids is that they have to own every aspect of the shows that they program on the blocks. The shows they don't own outright are often seen earlier in the blocks like DiGata and Biker Mice From Mars on Fox and The Spectacular Spider-Man on The CW. They could easily acquire shows for both blocks from many companies, including Viz, Taffy, Nelvana (DiGata's owners and producers), Entertainment Rights, Sony (which owns the Spectacular Spider-Man series), Marathon, Cookie Jar, and others without having to own a piece of it, but in that aspect, 4Kids is greedy.

They're pumping out a decent amount of new material (Viva Pinata, Biker Mice, Di-Gata, TMNT, Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's, Dinosaur King, and Chaotic) with several new shows on the way.
Again, DiGata and Biker Mice aren't produced nor owned by 4Kids.

To be truthful, I think they very much regret buying the 08-09 season from FOX and would rather not be programming it.
Well, to be fair, they extended the contract with FOX with no idea that The CW would be scrapping their Saturday morning lineup. They got greedy thinking they could program two programming blocks at once when, as you've pointed out, they're a small company without many resources or funds to acquire and produce shows for both.

They've stretched themselves thin largely because of greed, and it could have all been avoided.

Blocks are never at their peak when they first begin, Jeff. Condemning the CW4Kids before it even has a chance to find its footing is too hasty on your part, at least in my humble opinion.
I'm not condemning them because they haven't found their footing. I'm condemning the CW4Kids block because it was built on 4Kids' greed and arrogance and The CW's laziness. The latter is just one of the reasons the network will likely fall by season's end (there's also the Tribune exodus and the expectations of Gossip Girl and 90210 deflating).
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Spider Riders, Monster Allergy, and Viewtiful Joe came and went, replaced with better shows.

By "better shows", hopefully you mean Spectacular Spider-Man, not Will & Dewitt. Create a continuation
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                            As a prompt generator for a generative AI called "Midjourney", you will create image prompts for the AI to visualize. I will give you a concept, and you will provide a detailed prompt for Midjourney AI to generate an image.
                            
                            Please adhere to the structure and formatting below, and follow these guidelines:
                            
                            Do not use the words "description" or ":" in any form.
                            Do not place a comma between [ar] and [v].
                            Write each prompt in one line without using return.
                            Structure:
                            [1] = 浅蓝色背景
                            [2] = a detailed description of [1] with specific imagery details.
                            [3] = a detailed description of the scene's environment.
                            [4] = a detailed description of the compositions.
                            [5] = a detailed description of the scene's mood, feelings, and atmosphere.
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                            Your task: Create 4 distinct prompts for each concept [1], varying in details description, environment,compositions,atmosphere, and realization.
                            
                            Write your prompts in english.
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                            Separate different prompts with two new lines.
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                            /imagine prompt: cute dog, fluffy fur, wagging tail, playful expression, sitting on a grassy field, under a clear blue sky, with a colorful collar, in a natural and vibrant setting, by a lake, captured with a Nikon D750 camera, 50mm lens, shallow depth of field, composition focused on the dog's face, capturing its joyful spirit, in a style reminiscent of William Wegman's iconic dog portraits. --ar 1:1 --v 5.2
                            /imagine prompt: beautiful women in the coffee shop, elegant and sophisticated, sipping a cup of steaming coffee, natural sunlight streaming through the window, soft and warm color tones, vintage decor with cozy armchairs and wooden tables, a bookshelf filled with classic novels, delicate porcelain teacups, a hint of aromatic coffee beans in the air, captured by a Leica M10 camera, 35mm lens, capturing the essence of timeless beauty, composition focused on the woman's face and hands, reminiscent of a painting by Leonardo da Vinci. --ar 1:1 --v 5.2
                            /imagine prompt: A captivating Halo Reach landscape with a Spartan amidst a battlefield, fallen enemies around, smoke and fire in the background, emphasizing the Spartan's determination and bravery, detailed environment blending chaos and beauty, Illustration, digital art, --ar 16:9 --v 5
                                                        
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/imagine prompt: a serene beach scene, golden sand shimmering in the sunlight, crystal-clear turquoise water gently lapping at the shore, palm trees swaying in the breeze, colorful beach umbrellas dotting the sandy landscape, creating a tropical paradise vibe, with a few seashells scattered on the sand, in a peaceful and relaxing setting, captured with a Canon 5D Mark IV camera, 24-70mm lens, wide-angle shot to encompass the entire beach, evoking a sense of escapism and tranquility. --ar 16:9 --v 5.2

/imagine prompt: a bustling marketplace in a Moroccan medina, vibrant colors of spices and fabrics lining the narrow alleyways, intricate mosaic tiles adorning the walls, locals in traditional attire bartering for goods, the air filled with the aromas of exotic spices and sizzling street food, the sound of chatter and laughter creating a lively atmosphere, captured with a Fujifilm X-T4 camera, 35mm lens, medium shot capturing the essence of the vibrant culture and bustling energy of the market, in a style reminiscent of street photography. --ar 1:1 --v 5.2

/imagine prompt: a majestic waterfall cascading down a moss-covered cliff, creating a veil of mist in the air, lush greenery surrounding the waterfall, colorful wildflowers blooming in the foreground, a rainbow appearing in the mist, adding a magical touch to the scene, the sound of rushing water filling the air with nature's symphony, captured with a Sony A7III camera, 50mm lens, close-up shot focusing on the mesmerizing beauty of the waterfall and rainbow, conveying a sense of wonder and awe in the presence of nature's grandeur. --ar 9:16 --v 5.2

/imagine prompt: a futuristic cityscape at night, skyscrapers towering into the night sky, illuminated by neon lights and digital screens, flying cars zipping through the air, leaving trails of light behind them, a bustling metropolis alive with energy and activity, the sound of honking horns and chatter of crowds filling the air, captured with a Panasonic Lumix S1 camera, 24mm lens, wide-angle shot showcasing the vibrant city lights and modern architecture, in a cyberpunk style that blends realism with a touch of sci-fi fantasy. --ar 16:9 --v 5.

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Please explain the following modified Garfield comic. Explain the title first. 
Title: Any Jons Today?
----Modified Transcript
{Jon drinks coffee with his back to Garfield, who is dancing}
Garfield: Shoo-doop boowa, shoo-doop boowa
{Garfield bursts into song, Jon turns around surprised}
Garfield: Any bonds today? Bonds are freedom, That's what I'm sellin' Any bonds today? 
Garfield: Scrape up the most you can!
Garfield: Here comes the man asking you to buy your share of freedom today!
Caption: And now, a Blackface Al Jolson Parody Removal Intermission
{Cut to Garfield and Odie on a fence}
Odie: {Being used by Garfield as a puppet} Hi to the people, dummy.
{cut to Jon touching Garfield}
Jon: Here comes the freedom man!
{Jon brings out his left hand and pokes Garfield with it, showing that both hands are empty. Careful not to step on your mug, Jon!}
SFX: POKE!
{Jon and Garfield engage in a rapid-fire poke war as Lyman looks on}
SFX: POKE! POKE! POKE! POKE! POKE! POKE!
Lyman: They can't get tomorrow's plans!
{We shall see, for, now, Odie pokes Lyman}
SFX: POKE
{cut back to Garfield and the turntable}
{Garfield looks annoyed at the turntable that, unknown to us, he has been miming to; it has been playing Irving Berlin's "Any Bonds Today?".}
Turntable: Now we will let us buy your share of
Turntable: freedom-
{Garfield whacks the turntable to unstick it}
SFX: KA-CHUNK
Garfield: -run around and
{Jon looks unimpressed}
----Original Base Strip
{Jon drinks coffee with his back to Garfield, who is dancing}
Garfield: Shoo-doop boowa, shoo-doop boowa
{Garfield bursts into song, Jon turns around surprised}
Garfield: Well I was workin' last night on my piston head, when my friend told me my girl was dead
Garfield: Well, I'll sure, I'll sure, I'll sure
Garfield: I'll sure, I'll sure, I'll sure, I'll sure
{Garfield looks annoyed at the turntable that, unknown to us, he has been miming to; it has started repeating}
Turntable: I'll sure, I'll sure, I'll sure, I'll sure, I'll sure, I'll sure
Turntable: I'll sure
{Garfield whacks the turntable to unstick it}
SFX: KA-CHUNK
Garfield: Miss herrrrr
{Jon looks unimpressed}

The author writes:

Alternate Titles: Jim Davis Presents Garfield, Mammyfield, Sammyfield
Original Warner Bros Cartoon: Leon Schlesinger Presents Bugs Bunny (Source: Title card of "Any Bonds Today? (cartoon)"
Original strip: 1980-06-15, 1985-06-30 (base strip), 1989-03-03.
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Title Explanation: "Any Jons Today?"
The title is a clear play on words based on the song "Any Bonds Today?" mentioned in the comic's dialogue, substituting "Jons" for "Bonds." Within the context of a Garfield strip, where Jon Arbuckle is a major character, this can be seen as a humorously nonsensical twist to grab the reader's attention. It invites curiosity about what connection Jon might have to the theme of bonds or what role he plays in the comic.

Explanation of the Modified Garfield Comic:
The modified comic presents a scenario that mixes absurdity with a reference to historical entertainment, specifically the famous patriotic song "Any Bonds Today?" which was originally written by Irving Berlin to boost American war bond sales during World War II. The comic is twisting a typical interaction between Jon and Garfield by incorporating this old patriotic tune in an unconventional setting.

1. **First Panel**: Garfield dances and sings while Jon is drinking coffee, oblivious to Garfield's activity. This sets the scene for something unusual about to unfold.

2. **Garfield's Song**: The song "Any Bonds Today?"—a tune promoting war bonds as contributions to freedom—unexpectedly becomes Garfield's song choice. His theatrical way of singing imbues the scene with a peculiar and comic quality, especially due to the juxtaposition of such vintage patriotic lyrics against Garfield's typically laid-back and selfish persona.

3. **Caption - "Blackface Al Jolson Parody Removal Intermission"**: This caption signals a break or an alteration in the strip's portrayal that avoids referencing controversial entertainment forms like blackface minstrelsy. Al Jolson, who famously performed in blackface, originally performed the song "Any Bonds Today?". It seems the author preemptively heads off any association with such a contentious portrayal.

4. **Poke War**: A chaotic and humorous interaction ensues with Jon and Garfield engaging in a “poke war”. Lyman’s cryptic comment “They can't get tomorrow's plans!” adds a nonsensical twist, lending a chaotic dynamism typical of a cartoon. The poking action may symbolize a light-hearted struggle or competition, echoing wartime themes in a non-serious way.

5. **Turntable Trouble**: The comic ends with Garfield dealing with a turntable that repeatedly sticks. This is parallel to a typical moment of frustration in real life when technology malfunctions. However, when applied to Garfield's previously dramatic singing, it comes off as humorous and trivializes his earlier overly dramatic antics.

The eclectic mix of references, playful interactions, and ending on a comedic frustration with machinery creates an atypical Garfield joke structure that pokes fun at nostalgia, media, and character interactions. The modified nature of the comic, including its historic and cultural references, layers additional humor and social commentary appropriate for a more aware and potentially adult readership familiar with historical media references.

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Question for the following paper: 


License: CC BY 4.0
arXiv:2404.19756v1 [cs.LG] 30 Apr 2024
KAN: Kolmogorov–Arnold Networks
Ziming Liu1,4  Yixuan Wang2  Sachin Vaidya1  Fabian Ruehle3,4
 James Halverson3,4  Marin Soljačić1,4  Thomas Y. Hou2  Max Tegmark1,4
1 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
2 California Institute of Technology
3 Northeastern University
4 The NSF Institute for Artificial Intelligence and Fundamental Interactions <PRESIDIO_ANONYMIZED_EMAIL_ADDRESS>
Abstract

Inspired by the Kolmogorov-Arnold representation theorem, we propose Kolmogorov-Arnold Networks (KANs) as promising alternatives to Multi-Layer Perceptrons (MLPs). While MLPs have fixed activation functions on nodes (“neurons”), KANs have learnable activation functions on edges (“weights”). KANs have no linear weights at all – every weight parameter is replaced by a univariate function parametrized as a spline. We show that this seemingly simple change makes KANs outperform MLPs in terms of accuracy and interpretability. For accuracy, much smaller KANs can achieve comparable or better accuracy than much larger MLPs in data fitting and PDE solving. Theoretically and empirically, KANs possess faster neural scaling laws than MLPs. For interpretability, KANs can be intuitively visualized and can easily interact with human users. Through two examples in mathematics and physics, KANs are shown to be useful “collaborators” helping scientists (re)discover mathematical and physical laws. In summary, KANs are promising alternatives for MLPs, opening opportunities for further improving today’s deep learning models which rely heavily on MLPs.
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Figure 0.1: Multi-Layer Perceptrons (MLPs) vs. Kolmogorov-Arnold Networks (KANs)
1 Introduction

Multi-layer perceptrons (MLPs) [1, 2, 3], also known as fully-connected feedforward neural networks, are foundational building blocks of today’s deep learning models. The importance of MLPs can never be overstated, since they are the default models in machine learning for approximating nonlinear functions, due to their expressive power guaranteed by the universal approximation theorem [3]. However, are MLPs the best nonlinear regressors we can build? Despite the prevalent use of MLPs, they have significant drawbacks. In transformers [4] for example, MLPs consume almost all non-embedding parameters and are typically less interpretable (relative to attention layers) without post-analysis tools [5].

We propose a promising alternative to MLPs, called Kolmogorov-Arnold Networks (KANs). Whereas MLPs are inspired by the universal approximation theorem, KANs are inspired by the Kolmogorov-Arnold representation theorem [6, 7]. Like MLPs, KANs have fully-connected structures. However, while MLPs place fixed activation functions on nodes (“neurons”), KANs place learnable activation functions on edges (“weights”), as illustrated in Figure 0.1. As a result, KANs have no linear weight matrices at all: instead, each weight parameter is replaced by a learnable 1D function parametrized as a spline. KANs’ nodes simply sum incoming signals without applying any non-linearities. One might worry that KANs are hopelessly expensive, since each MLP’s weight parameter becomes KAN’s spline function. Fortunately, KANs usually allow much smaller computation graphs than MLPs. For example, we show that for PDE solving, a 2-Layer width-10 KAN is 100 times more accurate than a 4-Layer width-100 MLP (10−7 vs 10−5 MSE) and 100 times more parameter efficient (102 vs 104 parameters).

Unsurprisingly, the possibility of using Kolmogorov-Arnold representation theorem to build neural networks has been studied [8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13]. However, most work has stuck with the original depth-2 width-(2⁢n+1) representation, and did not have the chance to leverage more modern techniques (e.g., back propagation) to train the networks. Our contribution lies in generalizing the original Kolmogorov-Arnold representation to arbitrary widths and depths, revitalizing and contextualizing it in today’s deep learning world, as well as using extensive empirical experiments to highlight its potential role as a foundation model for AI + Science due to its accuracy and interpretability.

Despite their elegant mathematical interpretation, KANs are nothing more than combinations of splines and MLPs, leveraging their respective strengths and avoiding their respective weaknesses. Splines are accurate for low-dimensional functions, easy to adjust locally, and able to switch between different resolutions. However, splines have a serious curse of dimensionality (COD) problem, because of their inability to exploit compositional structures. MLPs, On the other hand, suffer less from COD thanks to their feature learning, but are less accurate than splines in low dimensions, because of their inability to optimize univariate functions. To learn a function accurately, a model should not only learn the compositional structure (external degrees of freedom), but should also approximate well the univariate functions (internal degrees of freedom). KANs are such models since they have MLPs on the outside and splines on the inside. As a result, KANs can not only learn features (thanks to their external similarity to MLPs), but can also optimize these learned features to great accuracy (thanks to their internal similarity to splines). For example, given a high dimensional function
	f⁢(x1,⋯,xN)=exp⁡(1N⁢∑i=1Nsin2⁢(xi)), 		(1.1)

splines would fail for large N due to COD; MLPs can potentially learn the the generalized additive structure, but they are very inefficient for approximating the exponential and sine functions with say, ReLU activations. In contrast, KANs can learn both the compositional structure and the univariate functions quite well, hence outperforming MLPs by a large margin (see Figure 3.1).

Throughout this paper, we will use extensive numerical experiments to show that KANs can lead to remarkable accuracy and interpretability improvement over MLPs. The organization of the paper is illustrated in Figure 2.1. In Section 2, we introduce the KAN architecture and its mathematical foundation, introduce network simplification techniques to make KANs interpretable, and introduce a grid extension technique to make KANs increasingly more accurate. In Section 3, we show that KANs are more accurate than MLPs for data fitting and PDE solving: KANs can beat the curse of dimensionality when there is a compositional structure in data, achieving much better scaling laws than MLPs. In Section 4, we show that KANs are interpretable and can be used for scientific discoveries. We use two examples from mathematics (knot theory) and physics (Anderson localization) to demonstrate that KANs can be helpful “collaborators” for scientists to (re)discover math and physical laws. Section 5 summarizes related works. In Section 6, we conclude by discussing broad impacts and future directions. Codes are available at https://github.com/KindXiaoming/pykan and can also be installed via pip install pykan.
2 Kolmogorov–Arnold Networks (KAN)
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Figure 2.1: Our proposed Kolmogorov-Arnold networks are in honor of two great late mathematicians, Andrey Kolmogorov and Vladimir Arnold. KANs are mathematically sound, accurate and interpretable.

Multi-Layer Perceptrons (MLPs) are inspired by the universal approximation theorem. We instead focus on the Kolmogorov-Arnold representation theorem, which can be realized by a new type of neural network called Kolmogorov-Arnold networks (KAN). We review the Kolmogorov-Arnold theorem in Section 2.1, to inspire the design of Kolmogorov-Arnold Networks in Section 2.2. In Section 2.3, we provide theoretical guarantees for the expressive power of KANs and their neural scaling laws. In Section 2.4, we propose a grid extension technique to make KANs increasingly more accurate. In Section 2.5, we propose simplification techniques to make KANs interpretable.
2.1 Kolmogorov-Arnold Representation theorem

Vladimir Arnold and Andrey Kolmogorov established that if f is a multivariate continuous function on a bounded domain, then f can be written as a finite composition of continuous functions of a single variable and the binary operation of addition. More specifically, for a smooth f:[0,1]n→ℝ,
	
f⁢(𝐱)=f⁢(x1,⋯,xn)=∑q=12⁢n+1Φq⁢(∑p=1nϕq,p⁢(xp)),
		(2.1)

where ϕq,p:[0,1]→ℝ and Φq:ℝ→ℝ. In a sense, they showed that the only true multivariate function is addition, since every other function can be written using univariate functions and sum. One might naively consider this great news for machine learning: learning a high-dimensional function boils down to learning a polynomial number of 1D functions. However, these 1D functions can be non-smooth and even fractal, so they may not be learnable in practice [14]. Because of this pathological behavior, the Kolmogorov-Arnold representation theorem was basically sentenced to death in machine learning, regarded as theoretically sound but practically useless [14].

However, we are more optimistic about the usefulness of the Kolmogorov-Arnold theorem for machine learning. First of all, we need not stick to the original Eq. (2.1) which has only two-layer non-linearities and a small number of terms (2⁢n+1) in the hidden layer: we will generalize the network to arbitrary widths and depths. Secondly, most functions in science and daily life are often smooth and have sparse compositional structures, potentially facilitating smooth Kolmogorov-Arnold representations. The philosophy here is close to the mindset of physicists, who often care more about typical cases rather than worst cases. After all, our physical world and machine learning tasks must have structures to make physics and machine learning useful or generalizable at all [15].
2.2 KAN architecture
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Figure 2.2: Left: Notations of activations that flow through the network. Right: an activation function is parameterized as a B-spline, which allows switching between coarse-grained and fine-grained grids.

Suppose we have a supervised learning task consisting of input-output pairs {𝐱i,yi}, where we want to find f such that yi≈f⁢(𝐱i) for all data points. Eq. (2.1) implies that we are done if we can find appropriate univariate functions ϕq,p and Φq. This inspires us to design a neural network which explicitly parametrizes Eq. (2.1). Since all functions to be learned are univariate functions, we can parametrize each 1D function as a B-spline curve, with learnable coefficients of local B-spline basis functions (see Figure 2.2 right). Now we have a prototype of KAN, whose computation graph is exactly specified by Eq. (2.1) and illustrated in Figure 0.1 (b) (with the input dimension n=2), appearing as a two-layer neural network with activation functions placed on edges instead of nodes (simple summation is performed on nodes), and with width 2⁢n+1 in the middle layer.

As mentioned, such a network is known to be too simple to approximate any function arbitrarily well in practice with smooth splines! We therefore generalize our KAN to be wider and deeper. It is not immediately clear how to make KANs deeper, since Kolmogorov-Arnold representations correspond to two-layer KANs. To the best of our knowledge, there is not yet a “generalized” version of the theorem that corresponds to deeper KANs.

The breakthrough occurs when we notice the analogy between MLPs and KANs. In MLPs, once we define a layer (which is composed of a linear transformation and nonlinearties), we can stack more layers to make the network deeper. To build deep KANs, we should first answer: “what is a KAN layer?” It turns out that a KAN layer with nin-dimensional inputs and nout-dimensional outputs can be defined as a matrix of 1D functions
	𝚽={ϕq,p},p=1,2,⋯,nin,q=1,2⁢⋯,nout, 		(2.2)

where the functions ϕq,p have trainable parameters, as detaild below. In the Kolmogov-Arnold theorem, the inner functions form a KAN layer with nin=n and nout=2⁢n+1, and the outer functions form a KAN layer with nin=2⁢n+1 and nout=1. So the Kolmogorov-Arnold representations in Eq. (2.1) are simply compositions of two KAN layers. Now it becomes clear what it means to have deeper Kolmogorov-Arnold representations: simply stack more KAN layers!

Let us introduce some notation. This paragraph will be a bit technical, but readers can refer to Figure 2.2 (left) for a concrete example and intuitive understanding. The shape of a KAN is represented by an integer array
	[n0,n1,⋯,nL], 		(2.3)

where ni is the number of nodes in the ith layer of the computational graph. We denote the ith neuron in the lth layer by (l,i), and the activation value of the (l,i)-neuron by xl,i. Between layer l and layer l+1, there are nl⁢nl+1 activation functions: the activation function that connects (l,j) and (l+1,i) is denoted by
	ϕl,i,j,l=0,⋯,L−1,i=1,⋯,nl+1,j=1,⋯,nl. 		(2.4)

The pre-activation of ϕl,i,j is simply xl,i; the post-activation of ϕl,i,j is denoted by x~l,i,j≡ϕl,i,j⁢(xl,i). The activation value of the (l+1,j) neuron is simply the sum of all incoming post-activations:
	
xl+1,j=∑i=1nlx~l,i,j=∑i=1nlϕl,i,j⁢(xl,i),j=1,⋯,nl+1.
		(2.5)

In matrix form, this reads
	
𝐱l+1=(ϕl,1,1⁢(⋅)ϕl,1,2⁢(⋅)⋯ϕl,1,nl⁢(⋅)ϕl,2,1⁢(⋅)ϕl,2,2⁢(⋅)⋯ϕl,2,nl⁢(⋅)⋮⋮⋮ϕl,nl+1,1⁢(⋅)ϕl,nl+1,2⁢(⋅)⋯ϕl,nl+1,nl⁢(⋅))⏟𝚽l⁢𝐱l,
		(2.6)

where 𝚽l is the function matrix corresponding to the lth KAN layer. A general KAN network is a composition of L layers: given an input vector 𝐱0∈ℝn0, the output of KAN is
	
KAN⁢(𝐱)=(𝚽L−1∘𝚽L−2∘⋯∘𝚽1∘𝚽0)⁢𝐱.
		(2.7)

We can also rewrite the above equation to make it more analogous to Eq. (2.1), assuming output dimension nL=1, and define f⁢(𝐱)≡KAN⁢(𝐱):
	
f⁢(𝐱)=∑iL−1=1nL−1ϕL−1,iL,iL−1⁢(∑iL−2=1nL−2⋯⁢(∑i2=1n2ϕ2,i3,i2⁢(∑i1=1n1ϕ1,i2,i1⁢(∑i0=1n0ϕ0,i1,i0⁢(xi0))))⁢⋯),
		(2.8)

which is quite cumbersome. In contrast, our abstraction of KAN layers and their visualizations are cleaner and intuitive. The original Kolmogorov-Arnold representation Eq. (2.1) corresponds to a 2-Layer KAN with shape [n,2⁢n+1,1]. Notice that all the operations are differentiable, so we can train KANs with back propagation. For comparison, an MLP can be written as interleaving of affine transformations 𝐖 and non-linearities σ:
	
MLP⁢(𝐱)=(𝐖L−1∘σ∘𝐖L−2∘σ∘⋯∘𝐖1∘σ∘𝐖0)⁢𝐱.
		(2.9)

It is clear that MLPs treat linear transformations and nonlinearities separately as 𝐖 and σ, while KANs treat them all together in 𝚽. In Figure 0.1 (c) and (d), we visualize a three-layer MLP and a three-layer KAN, to clarify their differences.

Implementation details. Although a KAN layer Eq. (2.5) looks extremely simple, it is non-trivial to make it well optimizable. The key tricks are:

    (1)

    Residual activation functions. We include a basis function b⁢(x) (similar to residual connections) such that the activation function ϕ⁢(x) is the sum of the basis function b⁢(x) and the spline function:
    	ϕ⁢(x)=w⁢(b⁢(x)+spline⁢(x)). 		(2.10)

    We set
    	b⁢(x)=silu⁢(x)=x/(1+e−x) 		(2.11)

    in most cases. spline⁢(x) is parametrized as a linear combination of B-splines such that
    	spline⁢(x)=∑ici⁢Bi⁢(x) 		(2.12)

    where cis are trainable. In principle w is redundant since it can be absorbed into b⁢(x) and spline⁢(x). However, we still include this w factor to better control the overall magnitude of the activation function.
    (2)

    Initialization scales. Each activation function is initialized to have spline⁢(x)≈0 1
    1
    This is done by drawing B-spline coefficients ci∼𝒩⁢(0,σ2) with a small σ, typically we set σ=0.1.. w is initialized according to the Xavier initialization, which has been used to initialize linear layers in MLPs.
    (3)

    Update of spline grids. We update each grid on the fly according to its input activations, to address the issue that splines are defined on bounded regions but activation values can evolve out of the fixed region during training 2
    2
    Other possibilities are: (a) the grid is learnable with gradient descent, e.g., [16]; (b) use normalization such that the input range is fixed. We tried (b) at first but its performance is inferior to our current approach..

Parameter count. For simplicity, let us assume a network

    (1)

    of depth L,
    (2)

    with layers of equal width n0=n1=⋯=nL=N,
    (3)

    with each spline of order k (usually k=3) on G intervals (for G+1 grid points).

Then there are in total O⁢(N2⁢L⁢(G+k))∼O⁢(N2⁢L⁢G) parameters. In contrast, an MLP with depth L and width N only needs O⁢(N2⁢L) parameters, which appears to be more efficient than KAN. Fortunately, KANs usually require much smaller N than MLPs, which not only saves parameters, but also achieves better generalization (see e.g., Figure 3.1 and 3.3) and facilitates interpretability. We characterize the generalization behavior of KANs with a theorem below.
2.3 KAN’s Approximation Abilities and Scaling Laws
Paper 	Idea 	Scaling exponent α
Sharma & Kaplan [17] 	Intrinsic dimensionality 	(k+1)/d
Michaud et al. [18] 	maximum arity 	(k+1)/2
Poggio et al. [14] 	compositional sparsity 	m/2
Ours 	K-A representation 	k+1
Table 1: Scaling exponents from different theories ℓ∝N−α. ℓ: test RMSE loss, N: number of model parameters, d: input intrinsic dimension, k: order of piecewise polynomial, m: derivative order as in function class Wm.

Recall that in Eq. (2.1), the 2-Layer width-(2⁢n+1) representation may be non-smooth. However, deeper representations may bring the advantages of smoother activations. For example, the 4-variable function
	f⁢(x1,x2,x3,x4)=exp⁡(sin⁡(x12+x22)+sin⁡(x32+x42)) 		(2.13)

can be smoothly represented by a [4,2,1,1] KAN which is 3-Layer, but may not admit a 2-Layer KAN with smooth activations. To facilitate an approximation analysis, we still assume smoothness of activations, but allow the representations to be arbitrarily wide and deep, as in Eq. (2.7). To emphasize the dependence of our KAN on the finite set of grid points, we use 𝚽lG and Φl,i,jG below to replace the notation 𝚽l and Φl,i,j used in Eq. (2.5) and (2.6).
Theorem 2.1 (Approximation theory, KAT).

Let 𝐱=(x1,x2,⋯,xn). Suppose that a function f⁢(𝐱) admits a representation
	
f=(𝚽L−1∘𝚽L−2∘⋯∘𝚽1∘𝚽0)⁢𝐱,
		(2.14)

as in Eq. (2.7), where each one of the Φl,i,j are (k+1)-times continuously differentiable. Then there exists a constant C depending on f and its representation, such that we have the following approximation bound in terms of the grid size G: there exist k-th order B-spline functions Φl,i,jG such that for any 0≤m≤k, we have the bound
	
‖f−(𝚽L−1G∘𝚽L−2G∘⋯∘𝚽1G∘𝚽0G)⁢𝐱‖Cm≤C⁢G−k−1+m.
		(2.15)

Here we adopt the notation of Cm-norm measuring the magnitude of derivatives up to order m:
	
‖g‖Cm=max|β|≤m⁢supx∈[0,1]n|Dβ⁢g⁢(x)|.
	
Proof.

By the classical 1D B-spline theory [19] and the fact that Φl,i,j as continuous functions can be uniformly bounded on a bounded domain, we know that there exist finite-grid B-spline functions Φl,i,jG such that for any 0≤m≤k,
	
‖(Φl,i,j∘𝚽l−1∘𝚽l−2∘⋯∘𝚽1∘𝚽0)⁢𝐱−(Φl,i,jG∘𝚽l−1∘𝚽l−2∘⋯∘𝚽1∘𝚽0)⁢𝐱‖Cm≤C⁢G−k−1+m,
	

with a constant C independent of G. We fix those B-spline approximations. Therefore we have that the residue Rl defined via
	
Rl≔(𝚽L−1G∘⋯∘𝚽l+1G∘𝚽l∘𝚽l−1∘⋯∘𝚽0)⁢𝐱−(𝚽L−1G∘⋯∘𝚽l+1G∘𝚽lG∘𝚽l−1∘⋯∘𝚽0)⁢𝐱
	

satisfies
	
‖Rl‖Cm≤C⁢G−k−1+m,
	

with a constant independent of G. Finally notice that
	
f−(𝚽L−1G∘𝚽L−2G∘⋯∘𝚽1G∘𝚽0G)⁢𝐱=RL−1+RL−2+⋯+R1+R0,
	

we know that (2.15) holds. ∎

We know that asymptotically, provided that the assumption in Theorem 2.1 holds, KANs with finite grid size can approximate the function well with a residue rate independent of the dimension, hence beating curse of dimensionality! This comes naturally since we only use splines to approximate 1D functions. In particular, for m=0, we recover the accuracy in L∞ norm, which in turn provides a bound of RMSE on the finite domain, which gives a scaling exponent k+1. Of course, the constant C is dependent on the representation; hence it will depend on the dimension. We will leave the discussion of the dependence of the constant on the dimension as a future work.

We remark that although the Kolmogorov-Arnold theorem Eq. (2.1) corresponds to a KAN representation with shape [d,2⁢d+1,1], its functions are not necessarily smooth. On the other hand, if we are able to identify a smooth representation (maybe at the cost of extra layers or making the KAN wider than the theory prescribes), then Theorem 2.1 indicates that we can beat the curse of dimensionality (COD). This should not come as a surprise since we can inherently learn the structure of the function and make our finite-sample KAN approximation interpretable.

Neural scaling laws: comparison to other theories. Neural scaling laws are the phenomenon where test loss decreases with more model parameters, i.e., ℓ∝N−α where ℓ is test RMSE, N is the number of parameters, and α is the scaling exponent. A larger α promises more improvement by simply scaling up the model. Different theories have been proposed to predict α. Sharma & Kaplan [17] suggest that α comes from data fitting on an input manifold of intrinsic dimensionality d. If the model function class is piecewise polynomials of order k (k=1 for ReLU), then the standard approximation theory implies α=(k+1)/d from the approximation theory. This bound suffers from the curse of dimensionality, so people have sought other bounds independent of d by leveraging compositional structures. In particular, Michaud et al. [18] considered computational graphs that only involve unary (e.g., squared, sine, exp) and binary (+ and ×) operations, finding α=(k+1)/d∗=(k+1)/2, where d∗=2 is the maximum arity. Poggio et al. [14] leveraged the idea of compositional sparsity and proved that given function class Wm (function whose derivatives are continuous up to m-th order), one needs N=O⁢(ϵ−2m) number of parameters to achieve error ϵ, which is equivalent to α=m2. Our approach, which assumes the existence of smooth Kolmogorov-Arnold representations, decomposes the high-dimensional function into several 1D functions, giving α=k+1 (where k is the piecewise polynomial order of the splines). We choose k=3 cubic splines so α=4 which is the largest and best scaling exponent compared to other works. We will show in Section 3.1 that this bound α=4 can in fact be achieved empirically with KANs, while previous work [18] reported that MLPs have problems even saturating slower bounds (e.g., α=1) and plateau quickly. Of course, we can increase k to match the smoothness of functions, but too high k might be too oscillatory, leading to optimization issues.

Comparison between KAT and UAT. The power of fully-connected neural networks is justified by the universal approximation theorem (UAT), which states that given a function and error tolerance ϵ>0, a two-layer network with k>N⁢(ϵ) neurons can approximate the function within error ϵ. However, the UAT guarantees no bound for how N⁢(ϵ) scales with ϵ. Indeed, it suffers from the COD, and N has been shown to grow exponentially with d in some cases [15]. The difference between KAT and UAT is a consequence that KANs take advantage of the intrinsically low-dimensional representation of the function while MLPs do not. Indeed, we will show that KANs are nicely aligned with symbolic functions while MLPs are not.
2.4 For accuracy: Grid Extension
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Figure 2.3: We can make KANs more accurate by grid extension (fine-graining spline grids). Top left (right): training dynamics of a [2,5,1] ([2,1,1]) KAN. Both models display staircases in their loss curves, i.e., loss suddently drops then plateaus after grid extension. Bottom left: test RMSE follows scaling laws against grid size G. Bottom right: training time scales favorably with grid size G.

In principle, a spline can be made arbitrarily accurate to a target function as the grid can be made arbitrarily fine-grained. This good feature is inherited by KANs. By contrast, MLPs do not have the notion of “fine-graining”. Admittedly, increasing the width and depth of MLPs can lead to improvement in performance (“neural scaling laws”). However, these neural scaling laws are slow (discussed in the last section). They are also expensive to obtain, because models of varying sizes are trained independently. By contrast, for KANs, one can first train a KAN with fewer parameters and then extend it to a KAN with more parameters by simply making its spline grids finer, without the need to retraining the larger model from scratch.

We next describe how to perform grid extension (illustrated in Figure 2.2 right), which is basically fitting a new fine-grained spline to an old coarse-grained spline. Suppose we want to approximate a 1D function f in a bounded region [a,b] with B-splines of order k. A coarse-grained grid with G1 intervals has grid points at {t0=a,t1,t2,⋯,tG1=b}, which is augmented to {t−k,⋯,t−1,t0,⋯,tG1,tG1+1,⋯,tG1+k}. There are G1+k B-spline basis functions, with the ith B-spline Bi⁢(x) being non-zero only on [t−k+i,ti+1] (i=0,⋯,G1+k−1). Then f on the coarse grid is expressed in terms of linear combination of these B-splines basis functions fcoarse⁢(x)=∑i=0G1+k−1ci⁢Bi⁢(x). Given a finer grid with G2 intervals, f on the fine grid is correspondingly ffine⁢(x)=∑j=0G2+k−1cj′⁢Bj′⁢(x). The parameters cj′s can be initialized from the parameters ci by minimizing the distance between ffine⁢(x) to fcoarse⁢(x) (over some distribution of x):
	
{cj′}=argmin{cj′}⁢𝔼x∼p⁢(x)(∑j=0G2+k−1cj′⁢Bj′⁢(x)−∑i=0G1+k−1ci⁢Bi⁢(x))2,
		(2.16)

which can be implemented by the least squares algorithm. We perform grid extension for all splines in a KAN independently.

Toy example: staricase-like loss curves. We use a toy example f⁢(x,y)=exp⁢(sin⁢(π⁢x)+y2) to demonstrate the effect of grid extension. In Figure 2.3 (top left), we show the train and test RMSE for a [2,5,1] KAN. The number of grid points starts as 3, increases to a higher value every 200 LBFGS steps, ending up with 1000 grid points. It is clear that every time fine graining happens, the training loss drops faster than before (except for the finest grid with 1000 points, where optimization ceases to work probably due to bad loss landscapes). However, the test losses first go down then go up, displaying a U-shape, due to the bias-variance tradeoff (underfitting vs. overfitting). We conjecture that the optimal test loss is achieved at the interpolation threshold when the number of parameters match the number of data points. Since our training samples are 1000 and the total parameters of a [2,5,1] KAN is 15⁢G (G is the number of grid intervals), we expect the interpolation threshold to be G=1000/15≈67, which roughly agrees with our experimentally observed value G∼50.

Small KANs generalize better. Is this the best test performance we can achieve? Notice that the synthetic task can be represented exactly by a [2,1,1] KAN, so we train a [2,1,1] KAN and present the training dynamics in Figure 2.3 top right. Interestingly, it can achieve even lower test losses than the [2,5,1] KAN, with clearer staircase structures and the interpolation threshold is delayed to a larger grid size as a result of fewer parameters. This highlights a subtlety of choosing KAN architectures. If we do not know the problem structure, how can we determine the minimal KAN shape? In Section 2.5, we will propose a method to auto-discover such minimal KAN architecture via regularization and pruning.

Scaling laws: comparison with theory. We are also interested in how the test loss decreases as the number of grid parameters increases. In Figure 2.3 (bottom left), a [2,1,1] KAN scales roughly as test⁢RMSE∝G−3. However, according to the Theorem 2.1, we would expect test⁢RMSE∝G−4. We found that the errors across samples are not uniform. This is probably attributed to boundary effects [18]. In fact, there are a few samples that have significantly larger errors than others, making the overall scaling slow down. If we plot the square root of the median (not mean) of the squared losses, we get a scaling closer to G−4. Despite this suboptimality (probably due to optimization), KANs still have much better scaling laws than MLPs, for data fitting (Figure 3.1) and PDE solving (Figure 3.3). In addition, the training time scales favorably with the number of grid points G, shown in Figure 2.3 bottom right 3
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When G=1000, training becomes significantly slower, which is specific to the use of the LBFGS optimizer with line search. We conjecture that the loss landscape becomes bad for G=1000, so line search with trying to find an optimal step size within maximal iterations without early stopping..

External vs Internal degrees of freedom. A new concept that KANs highlights is a distinction between external versus internal degrees of freedom (parameters). The computational graph of how nodes are connected represents external degrees of freedom (“dofs”), while the grid points inside an activation function are internal degrees of freedom. KANs benefit from the fact that they have both external dofs and internal dofs. External dofs (that MLPs also have but splines do not) are responsible for learning compositional structures of multiple variables. Internal dofs (that splines also have but MLPs do not) are responsible for learning univariate functions.
2.5 For Interpretability: Simplifying KANs and Making them interactive

One loose end from the last subsection is that we do not know how to choose the KAN shape that best matches the structure of a dataset. For example, if we know that the dataset is generated via the symbolic formula f⁢(x,y)=exp⁢(sin⁢(π⁢x)+y2), then we know that a [2,1,1] KAN is able to express this function. However, in practice we do not know the information a priori, so it would be nice to have approaches to determine this shape automatically. The idea is to start from a large enough KAN and train it with sparsity regularization followed by pruning. We will show that these pruned KANs are much more interpretable than non-pruned ones. To make KANs maximally interpretable, we propose a few simplification techniques in Section 2.5.1, and an example of how users can interact with KANs to make them more interpretable in Section 2.5.2.
2.5.1 Simplification techniques

1. Sparsification. For MLPs, L1 regularization of linear weights is used to favor sparsity. KANs can adapt this high-level idea, but need two modifications:

    (1)

    There is no linear “weight” in KANs. Linear weights are replaced by learnable activation functions, so we should define the L1 norm of these activation functions.
    (2)

    We find L1 to be insufficient for sparsification of KANs; instead an additional entropy regularization is necessary (see Appendix C for more details).

We define the L1 norm of an activation function ϕ to be its average magnitude over its Np inputs, i.e.,
	
|ϕ|1≡1Np⁢∑s=1Np|ϕ⁢(x(s))|.
		(2.17)

Then for a KAN layer 𝚽 with nin inputs and nout outputs, we define the L1 norm of 𝚽 to be the sum of L1 norms of all activation functions, i.e.,
	
|𝚽|1≡∑i=1nin∑j=1nout|ϕi,j|1.
		(2.18)

In addition, we define the entropy of 𝚽 to be
	
S⁢(𝚽)≡−∑i=1nin∑j=1nout|ϕi,j|1|𝚽|1⁢log⁢(|ϕi,j|1|𝚽|1).
		(2.19)

The total training objective ℓtotal is the prediction loss ℓpred plus L1 and entropy regularization of all KAN layers:
	
ℓtotal=ℓpred+λ⁢(μ1⁢∑l=0L−1|𝚽l|1+μ2⁢∑l=0L−1S⁢(𝚽l)),
		(2.20)

where μ1,μ2 are relative magnitudes usually set to μ1=μ2=1, and λ controls overall regularization magnitude.

2. Visualization. When we visualize a KAN, to get a sense of magnitudes, we set the transparency of an activation function ϕl,i,j proportional to tanh⁢(β⁢Al,i,j) where β=3 . Hence, functions with small magnitude appear faded out to allow us to focus on important ones.

3. Pruning. After training with sparsification penalty, we may also want to prune the network to a smaller subnetwork. We sparsify KANs on the node level (rather than on the edge level). For each node (say the ith neuron in the lth layer), we define its incoming and outgoing score as
	
Il,i=max𝑘⁢(|ϕl−1,k,i|1),Ol,i=maxj⁢(|ϕl+1,j,i|1),
		(2.21)

and consider a node to be important if both incoming and outgoing scores are greater than a threshold hyperparameter θ=10−2 by default. All unimportant neurons are pruned.

4. Symbolification. In cases where we suspect that some activation functions are in fact symbolic (e.g., cos or log), we provide an interface to set them to be a specified symbolic form, fix_symbolic(l,i,j,f) can set the (l,i,j) activation to be f. However, we cannot simply set the activation function to be the exact symbolic formula, since its inputs and outputs may have shifts and scalings. So, we obtain preactivations x and postactivations y from samples, and fit affine parameters (a,b,c,d) such that y≈c⁢f⁢(a⁢x+b)+d. The fitting is done by iterative grid search of a,b and linear regression.

Besides these techniques, we provide additional tools that allow users to apply more fine-grained control to KANs, listed in Appendix A.
2.5.2 A toy example: how humans can interact with KANs
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Figure 2.4: An example of how to do symbolic regression with KAN.

Above we have proposed a number of simplification techniques for KANs. We can view these simplification choices as buttons one can click on. A user interacting with these buttons can decide which button is most promising to click next to make KANs more interpretable. We use an example below to showcase how a user could interact with a KAN to obtain maximally interpretable results.

Let us again consider the regression task
	f⁢(x,y)=exp⁡(sin⁡(π⁢x)+y2). 		(2.22)

Given data points (xi,yi,fi), i=1,2,⋯,Np, a hypothetical user Alice is interested in figuring out the symbolic formula. The steps of Alice’s interaction with the KANs are described below (illustrated in Figure 2.4):

Step 1: Training with sparsification. Starting from a fully-connected [2,5,1] KAN, training with sparsification regularization can make it quite sparse. 4 out of 5 neurons in the hidden layer appear useless, hence we want to prune them away.

Step 2: Pruning. Automatic pruning is seen to discard all hidden neurons except the last one, leaving a [2,1,1] KAN. The activation functions appear to be known symbolic functions.

Step 3: Setting symbolic functions. Assuming that the user can correctly guess these symbolic formulas from staring at the KAN plot, they can set
		fix_symbolic(0,0,0,‘sin’) 		(2.23)
		fix_symbolic(0,1,0,‘x^2’) 	
		fix_symbolic(1,0,0,‘exp’). 	

In case the user has no domain knowledge or no idea which symbolic functions these activation functions might be, we provide a function suggest_symbolic to suggest symbolic candidates.

Step 4: Further training. After symbolifying all the activation functions in the network, the only remaining parameters are the affine parameters. We continue training these affine parameters, and when we see the loss dropping to machine precision, we know that we have found the correct symbolic expression.

Step 5: Output the symbolic formula. Sympy is used to compute the symbolic formula of the output node. The user obtains 1.0⁢e1.0⁢y2+1.0⁢sin⁢(3.14⁢x), which is the true answer (we only displayed two decimals for π).

Remark: Why not symbolic regression (SR)? It is reasonable to use symbolic regression for this example. However, symbolic regression methods are in general brittle and hard to debug. They either return a success or a failure in the end without outputting interpretable intermediate results. In contrast, KANs do continuous search (with gradient descent) in function space, so their results are more continuous and hence more robust. Moreover, users have more control over KANs as compared to SR due to KANs’ transparency. The way we visualize KANs is like displaying KANs’ “brain” to users, and users can perform “surgery” (debugging) on KANs. This level of control is typically unavailable for SR. We will show examples of this in Section 4.4. More generally, when the target function is not symbolic, symbolic regression will fail but KANs can still provide something meaningful. For example, a special function (e.g., a Bessel function) is impossible to SR to learn unless it is provided in advance, but KANs can use splines to approximate it numerically anyway (see Figure 4.1 (d)).
3 KANs are accurate

In this section, we demonstrate that KANs are more effective at representing functions than MLPs in various tasks (regression and PDE solving). When comparing two families of models, it is fair to compare both their accuracy (loss) and their complexity (number of parameters). We will show that KANs display more favorable Pareto Frontiers than MLPs. Moreover, in Section 3.5, we show that KANs can naturally work in continual learning without catastrophic forgetting.
3.1 Toy datasets
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Figure 3.1: Compare KANs to MLPs on five toy examples. KANs can almost saturate the fastest scaling law predicted by our theory (α=4), while MLPs scales slowly and plateau quickly.

In Section 2.3, our theory suggested that test RMSE loss ℓ scales as ℓ∝N−4 with model parameters N. However, this relies on the existence of a Kolmogorov-Arnold representation. As a sanity check, we construct five examples we know have smooth KA representations:

    (1)

    f⁢(x)=J0⁢(20⁢x), which is the Bessel function. Since it is a univariate function, it can be represented by a spline, which is a [1,1] KAN.
    (2)

    f⁢(x,y)=exp⁢(sin⁢(π⁢x)+y2). We know that it can be exactly represented by a [2,1,1] KAN.
    (3)

    f⁢(x,y)=x⁢y. We know from Figure 4.1 that it can be exactly represented by a [2,2,1] KAN.
    (4)

    A high-dimensional example f⁢(x1,⋯,x100)=exp⁢(1100⁢∑i=1100sin2⁢(π⁢xi2)) which can be represented by a [100,1,1] KAN.
    (5)

    A four-dimensional example f⁢(x1,x2,x3,x4)=exp⁢(12⁢(sin⁢(π⁢(x12+x22))+sin⁢(π⁢(x32+x42)))) which can be represented by a [4,4,2,1] KAN.

We train these KANs by increasing grid points every 200 steps, in total covering G={3,5,10,20,50,100,200,500,1000}. We train MLPs with different depths and widths as baselines. Both MLPs and KANs are trained with LBFGS for 1800 steps in total. We plot test RMSE as a function of the number of parameters for KANs and MLPs in Figure 3.1, showing that KANs have better scaling curves than MLPs, especially for the high-dimensional example. For comparison, we plot the lines predicted from our KAN theory as red dashed (α=k+1=4), and the lines predicted from Sharma & Kaplan [17] as black-dashed (α=(k+1)/d=4/d). KANs can almost saturate the steeper red lines, while MLPs struggle to converge even as fast as the slower black lines and plateau quickly. We also note that for the last example, the 2-Layer KAN [4,9,1] behaves much worse than the 3-Layer KAN (shape [4,2,2,1]). This highlights the greater expressive power of deeper KANs, which is the same for MLPs: deeper MLPs have more expressive power than shallower ones.
3.2 Special functions
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Figure 3.2: Fitting special functions. We show the Pareto Frontier of KANs and MLPs in the plane spanned by the number of model parameters and RMSE loss. Consistently accross all special functions, KANs have better Pareto Frontiers than MLPs. The definitions of these special functions are in Table 2.

One caveat for the above results is that we assume knowledge of the “true” KAN shape. In practice, we do not know the existence of KA representations. Even when we are promised that such a KA representation exists, we do not know the KAN shape a priori. Special functions in more than one variables are such cases, because it would be (mathematically) surprising if multivariate special functions (e.g., a Bessel function f⁢(ν,x)=Jν⁢(x)) could be written in KA represenations, involving only univariate functions and sums). We show below that:

    (1)

    Finding (approximate) compact KA representations of special functions is possible, revealing novel mathematical properties of special functions from the perspective of Kolmogorov-Arnold representations.
    (2)

    KANs are more efficient and accurate in representing special functions than MLPs.

We collect 15 special functions common in math and physics, summarized in Table 2. We choose MLPs with fixed width 5 or 100 and depths swept in {2,3,4,5,6}. We run KANs both with and without pruning. KANs without pruning: We fix the shape of KAN, whose width are set to 5 and depths are swept in {2,3,4,5,6}. KAN with pruning. We use the sparsification (λ=10−2⁢or⁢ 10−3) and pruning technique in Section 2.5.1 to obtain a smaller KAN pruned from a fixed-shape KAN. Each KAN is initialized to have G=3, trained with LBFGS, with increasing number of grid points every 200 steps to cover G={3,5,10,20,50,100,200}. For each hyperparameter combination, we run 3 random seeds.

For each dataset and each model family (KANs or MLPs), we plot the Pareto frontier 4
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Pareto frontier is defined as fits that are optimal in the sense of no other fit being both simpler and more accurate., in the (number of parameters, RMSE) plane, shown in Figure 3.2. KANs’ performance is shown to be consistently better than MLPs, i.e., KANs can achieve lower training/test losses than MLPs, given the same number of parameters. Moreover, we report the (surprisingly compact) shapes of our auto-discovered KANs for special functions in Table 2. On one hand, it is interesting to interpret what these compact representations mean mathematically (we include the KAN illustrations in Figure F.1 and F.2 in Appendix F). On the other hand, these compact representations imply the possibility of breaking down a high-dimensional lookup table into several 1D lookup tables, which can potentially save a lot of memory, with the (almost negligible) overhead to perform a few additions at inference time.
Name 	scipy.special API 	Minimal KAN shape test RMSE <10−2 	Minimal KAN test RMSE 	Best KAN shape 	Best KAN test RMSE 	MLP test RMSE
Jacobian elliptic functions 	ellipj⁢(x,y) 	[2,2,1] 	7.29×10−3 	[2,3,2,1,1,1] 	1.33×𝟏𝟎−𝟒 	6.48×10−4
Incomplete elliptic integral of the first kind 	ellipkinc⁢(x,y) 	[2,2,1,1] 	1.00×10−3 	[2,2,1,1,1] 	1.24×𝟏𝟎−𝟒 	5.52×10−4
Incomplete elliptic integral of the second kind 	ellipeinc⁢(x,y) 	[2,2,1,1] 	8.36×10−5 	[2,2,1,1] 	8.26×𝟏𝟎−𝟓 	3.04×10−4
Bessel function of the first kind 	jv⁢(x,y) 	[2,2,1] 	4.93×10−3 	[2,3,1,1,1] 	1.64×𝟏𝟎−𝟑 	5.52×10−3
Bessel function of the second kind 	yv⁢(x,y) 	[2,3,1] 	1.89×10−3 	[2,2,2,1] 	1.49×𝟏𝟎−𝟓 	3.45×10−4
Modified Bessel function of the second kind 	kv⁢(x,y) 	[2,1,1] 	4.89×10−3 	[2,2,1] 	2.52×𝟏𝟎−𝟓 	1.67×10−4
Modified Bessel function of the first kind 	iv⁢(x,y) 	[2,4,3,2,1,1] 	9.28×10−3 	[2,4,3,2,1,1] 	9.28×𝟏𝟎−𝟑 	1.07×10−2
Associated Legendre function (m=0) 	lpmv⁢(0,x,y) 	[2,2,1] 	5.25×10−5 	[2,2,1] 	5.25×𝟏𝟎−𝟓 	1.74×10−2
Associated Legendre function (m=1) 	lpmv⁢(1,x,y) 	[2,4,1] 	6.90×10−4 	[2,4,1] 	6.90×𝟏𝟎−𝟒 	1.50×10−3
Associated Legendre function (m=2) 	lpmv⁢(2,x,y) 	[2,2,1] 	4.88×10−3 	[2,3,2,1] 	2.26×𝟏𝟎−𝟒 	9.43×10−4
spherical harmonics (m=0,n=1) 	sph⁢_⁢harm⁢(0,1,x,y) 	[2,1,1] 	2.21×10−7 	[2,1,1] 	2.21×𝟏𝟎−𝟕 	1.25×10−6
spherical harmonics (m=1,n=1) 	sph⁢_⁢harm⁢(1,1,x,y) 	[2,2,1] 	7.86×10−4 	[2,3,2,1] 	1.22×𝟏𝟎−𝟒 	6.70×10−4
spherical harmonics (m=0,n=2) 	sph⁢_⁢harm⁢(0,2,x,y) 	[2,1,1] 	1.95×10−7 	[2,1,1] 	1.95×𝟏𝟎−𝟕 	2.85×10−6
spherical harmonics (m=1,n=2) 	sph⁢_⁢harm⁢(1,2,x,y) 	[2,2,1] 	4.70×10−4 	[2,2,1,1] 	1.50×𝟏𝟎−𝟓 	1.84×10−3
spherical harmonics (m=2,n=2) 	sph⁢_⁢harm⁢(2,2,x,y) 	[2,2,1] 	1.12×10−3 	[2,2,3,2,1] 	9.45×𝟏𝟎−𝟓 	6.21×10−4
Table 2: Special functions
3.3 Feynman datasets

The setup in Section 3.1 is when we clearly know “true” KAN shapes. The setup in Section 3.2 is when we clearly do not know “true” KAN shapes. This part investigates a setup lying in the middle: Given the structure of the dataset, we may construct KANs by hand, but we are not sure if they are optimal. In this regime, it is interesting to compare human-constructed KANs and auto-discovered KANs via pruning (techniques in Section 2.5.1).
Feynman Eq. 	Original Formula 	Dimensionless formula 	Variables 	Human-constructed KAN shape 	Pruned KAN shape (smallest shape that achieves RMSE < 10−2) 	Pruned KAN shape (lowest loss) 	Human-constructed KAN loss (lowest test RMSE) 	Pruned KAN loss (lowest test RMSE) 	Unpruned KAN loss (lowest test RMSE) 	MLP loss (lowest test RMSE)
I.6.2 	exp⁢(−θ22⁢σ2)/2⁢π⁢σ2 	exp⁢(−θ22⁢σ2)/2⁢π⁢σ2 	θ,σ 	[2,2,1,1] 	[2,2,1] 	[2,2,1,1] 	7.66×10−5 	2.86×𝟏𝟎−𝟓 	4.60×10−5 	1.45×10−4
I.6.2b 	exp⁢(−(θ−θ1)22⁢σ2)/2⁢π⁢σ2 	exp⁢(−(θ−θ1)22⁢σ2)/2⁢π⁢σ2 	θ,θ1,σ 	[3,2,2,1,1] 	[3,4,1] 	[3,2,2,1,1] 	1.22×10−3 	4.45×𝟏𝟎−𝟒 	1.25×10−3 	7.40×10−4
I.9.18 	G⁢m1⁢m2(x2−x1)2+(y2−y1)2+(z2−z1)2 	a(b−1)2+(c−d)2+(e−f)2 	a,b,c,d,e,f 	[6,4,2,1,1] 	[6,4,1,1] 	[6,4,1,1] 	1.48×𝟏𝟎−𝟑 	8.62×10−3 	6.56×10−3 	1.59×10−3
I.12.11 	q⁢(Ef+B⁢v⁢sin⁢θ) 	1+a⁢sin⁢θ 	a,θ 	[2,2,2,1] 	[2,2,1] 	[2,2,1] 	2.07×10−3 	1.39×10−3 	9.13×10−4 	6.71×𝟏𝟎−𝟒
I.13.12 	G⁢m1⁢m2⁢(1r2−1r1) 	a⁢(1b−1) 	a,b 	[2,2,1] 	[2,2,1] 	[2,2,1] 	7.22×10−3 	4.81×10−3 	2.72×10−3 	1.42×𝟏𝟎−𝟑
I.15.3x 	x−u⁢t1−(uc)2 	1−a1−b2 	a,b 	[2,2,1,1] 	[2,1,1] 	[2,2,1,1,1] 	7.35×10−3 	1.58×10−3 	1.14×10−3 	8.54×𝟏𝟎−𝟒
I.16.6 	u+v1+u⁢vc2 	a+b1+a⁢b 	a,b 	[2,2,2,2,2,1] 	[2,2,1] 	[2,2,1] 	1.06×10−3 	1.19×10−3 	1.53×10−3 	6.20×𝟏𝟎−𝟒
I.18.4 	m1⁢r1+m2⁢r2m1+m2 	1+a⁢b1+a 	a,b 	[2,2,2,1,1] 	[2,2,1] 	[2,2,1] 	3.92×10−4 	1.50×𝟏𝟎−𝟒 	1.32×10−3 	3.68×10−4
I.26.2 	arcsin⁢(n⁢sin⁢θ2) 	arcsin⁢(n⁢sin⁢θ2) 	n,θ2 	[2,2,2,1,1] 	[2,2,1] 	[2,2,2,1,1] 	1.22×10−1 	7.90×𝟏𝟎−𝟒 	8.63×10−4 	1.24×10−3
I.27.6 	11d1+nd2 	11+a⁢b 	a,b 	[2,2,1,1] 	[2,1,1] 	[2,1,1] 	2.22×10−4 	1.94×𝟏𝟎−𝟒 	2.14×10−4 	2.46×10−4
I.29.16 	x12+x22−2⁢x1⁢x2⁢cos⁢(θ1−θ2) 	1+a2−2⁢a⁢cos⁢(θ1−θ2) 	a,θ1,θ2 	[3,2,2,3,2,1,1] 	[3,2,2,1] 	[3,2,3,1] 	2.36×10−1 	3.99×10−3 	3.20×𝟏𝟎−𝟑 	4.64×10−3
I.30.3 	I∗,0⁢sin2⁢(n⁢θ2)sin2⁢(θ2) 	sin2⁢(n⁢θ2)sin2⁢(θ2) 	n,θ 	[2,3,2,2,1,1] 	[2,4,3,1] 	[2,3,2,3,1,1] 	3.85×10−1 	1.03×𝟏𝟎−𝟑 	1.11×10−2 	1.50×10−2
I.30.5 	arcsin⁢(λn⁢d) 	arcsin⁢(an) 	a,n 	[2,1,1] 	[2,1,1] 	[2,1,1,1,1,1] 	2.23×10−4 	3.49×𝟏𝟎−𝟓 	6.92×10−5 	9.45×10−5
I.37.4 	I∗=I1+I2+2⁢I1⁢I2⁢cos⁢δ 	1+a+2⁢a⁢cos⁢δ 	a,δ 	[2,3,2,1] 	[2,2,1] 	[2,2,1] 	7.57×10−5 	4.91×𝟏𝟎−𝟔 	3.41×10−4 	5.67×10−4
I.40.1 	n0⁢exp⁢(−m⁢g⁢xkb⁢T) 	n0⁢e−a 	n0,a 	[2,1,1] 	[2,2,1] 	[2,2,1,1,1,2,1] 	3.45×10−3 	5.01×10−4 	3.12×𝟏𝟎−𝟒 	3.99×10−4
I.44.4 	n⁢kb⁢T⁢ln⁢(V2V1) 	n⁢ln⁢a 	n,a 	[2,2,1] 	[2,2,1] 	[2,2,1] 	2.30×𝟏𝟎−𝟓 	2.43×10−5 	1.10×10−4 	3.99×10−4
I.50.26 	x1⁢(cos⁢(ω⁢t)+α⁢cos2⁢(w⁢t)) 	cos⁢a+α⁢cos2⁢a 	a,α 	[2,2,3,1] 	[2,3,1] 	[2,3,2,1] 	1.52×𝟏𝟎−𝟒 	5.82×10−4 	4.90×10−4 	1.53×10−3
II.2.42 	k⁢(T2−T1)⁢Ad 	(a−1)⁢b 	a,b 	[2,2,1] 	[2,2,1] 	[2,2,2,1] 	8.54×10−4 	7.22×10−4 	1.22×10−3 	1.81×𝟏𝟎−𝟒
II.6.15a 	34⁢π⁢ϵ⁢pd⁢zr5⁢x2+y2 	14⁢π⁢c⁢a2+b2 	a,b,c 	[3,2,2,2,1] 	[3,2,1,1] 	[3,2,1,1] 	2.61×10−3 	3.28×10−3 	1.35×10−3 	5.92×𝟏𝟎−𝟒
II.11.7 	n0⁢(1+pd⁢Ef⁢cos⁢θkb⁢T) 	n0⁢(1+a⁢cos⁢θ) 	n0,a,θ 	[3,3,3,2,2,1] 	[3,3,1,1] 	[3,3,1,1] 	7.10×10−3 	8.52×10−3 	5.03×10−3 	5.92×𝟏𝟎−𝟒
II.11.27 	n⁢α1−n⁢α3⁢ϵ⁢Ef 	n⁢α1−n⁢α3 	n,α 	[2,2,1,2,1] 	[2,1,1] 	[2,2,1] 	2.67×10−5 	4.40×10−5 	1.43×𝟏𝟎−𝟓 	7.18×10−5
II.35.18 	n0exp⁢(μm⁢Bkb⁢T)+exp⁢(−μm⁢Bkb⁢T) 	n0exp⁢(a)+exp⁢(−a) 	n0,a 	[2,1,1] 	[2,1,1] 	[2,1,1,1] 	4.13×10−4 	1.58×10−4 	7.71×𝟏𝟎−𝟓 	7.92×10−5
II.36.38 	μm⁢Bkb⁢T+μm⁢α⁢Mϵ⁢c2⁢kb⁢T 	a+α⁢b 	a,α,b 	[3,3,1] 	[3,2,1] 	[3,2,1] 	2.85×10−3 	1.15×𝟏𝟎−𝟑 	3.03×10−3 	2.15×10−3
II.38.3 	Y⁢A⁢xd 	ab 	a,b 	[2,1,1] 	[2,1,1] 	[2,2,1,1,1] 	1.47×10−4 	8.78×𝟏𝟎−𝟓 	6.43×10−4 	5.26×10−4
III.9.52 	pd⁢Efh⁢sin2⁢((ω−ω0)⁢t/2)((ω−ω0)⁢t/2)2 	a⁢sin2⁢(b−c2)(b−c2)2 	a,b,c 	[3,2,3,1,1] 	[3,3,2,1] 	[3,3,2,1,1,1] 	4.43×10−2 	3.90×10−3 	2.11×10−2 	9.07×𝟏𝟎−𝟒
III.10.19 	μm⁢Bx2+By2+Bz2 	1+a2+b2 	a,b 	[2,1,1] 	[2,1,1] 	[2,1,2,1] 	2.54×10−3 	1.18×10−3 	8.16×10−4 	1.67×𝟏𝟎−𝟒
III.17.37 	β⁢(1+α⁢cos⁢θ) 	β⁢(1+α⁢cos⁢θ) 	α,β,θ 	[3,3,3,2,2,1] 	[3,3,1] 	[3,3,1] 	1.10×10−3 	5.03×10−4 	4.12×𝟏𝟎−𝟒 	6.80×10−4
Table 3: Feynman dataset

Feynman dataset. The Feynman dataset collects many physics equations from Feynman’s textbooks [20, 21]. For our purpose, we are interested in problems in the Feynman_no_units dataset that have at least 2 variables, since univariate problems are trivial for KANs (they simplify to 1D splines). A sample equation from the Feynman dataset is the relativisic velocity addition formula
	f⁢(u,v)=(u+v)/(1+u⁢v). 		(3.1)

The dataset can be constructed by randomly drawing ui∈(−1,1), vi∈(−1,1), and computing fi=f⁢(ui,vi). Given many tuples (ui,vi,fi), a neural network is trained and aims to predict f from u and v. We are interested in (1) how well a neural network can perform on test samples; (2) how much we can learn about the structure of the problem from neural networks.

We compare four kinds of neural networks:

    (1)

    Human-constructued KAN. Given a symbolic formula, we rewrite it in Kolmogorov-Arnold representations. For example, to multiply two numbers x and y, we can use the identity x⁢y=(x+y)24−(x−y)24, which corresponds to a [2,2,1] KAN. The constructued shapes are listed in the “Human-constructed KAN shape” in Table 3.
    (2)

    KANs without pruning. We fix the KAN shape to width 5 and depths are swept over {2,3,4,5,6}.
    (3)

    KAN with pruning. We use the sparsification (λ=10−2⁢or⁢ 10−3) and the pruning technique from Section 2.5.1 to obtain a smaller KAN from a fixed-shape KAN from (2).
    (4)

    MLPs with fixed width 20, depths swept in {2,3,4,5,6}, and activations chosen from {Tanh,ReLU,SiLU}.

Each KAN is initialized to have G=3, trained with LBFGS, with increasing number of grid points every 200 steps to cover G={3,5,10,20,50,100,200}. For each hyperparameter combination, we try 3 random seeds. For each dataset (equation) and each method, we report the results of the best model (minimal KAN shape, or lowest test loss) over random seeds and depths in Table 3. We find that MLPs and KANs behave comparably on average. For each dataset and each model family (KANs or MLPs), we plot the Pareto frontier in the plane spanned by the number of parameters and RMSE losses, shown in Figure D.1 in Appendix D. We conjecture that the Feynman datasets are too simple to let KANs make further improvements, in the sense that variable dependence is usually smooth or monotonic, which is in contrast to the complexity of special functions which often demonstrate oscillatory behavior.

Auto-discovered KANs are smaller than human-constructed ones. We report the pruned KAN shape in two columns of Table 3; one column is for the minimal pruned KAN shape that can achieve reasonable loss (i.e., test RMSE smaller than 10−2); the other column is for the pruned KAN that achieves lowest test loss. For completeness, we visualize all 54 pruned KANs in Appendix D (Figure D.2 and D.3). It is interesting to observe that auto-discovered KAN shapes (for both minimal and best) are usually smaller than our human constructions. This means that KA representations can be more efficient than we imagine. At the same time, this may make interpretability subtle because information is being squashed into a smaller space than what we are comfortable with.

Consider the relativistic velocity composition f⁢(u,v)=u+v1+u⁢v, for example. Our construction is quite deep because we were assuming that multiplication of u,v would use two layers (see Figure 4.1 (a)), inversion of 1+u⁢v would use one layer, and multiplication of u+v and 1/(1+u⁢v) would use another two layers5
5
Note that we cannot use the logarithmic construction for division, because u and v here might be negative numbers., resulting a total of 5 layers. However, the auto-discovered KANs are only 2 layers deep! In hindsight, this is actually expected if we recall the rapidity trick in relativity: define the two “rapidities” a≡arctanh⁢u and b≡arctanh⁢v. The relativistic composition of velocities are simple additions in rapidity space, i.e., u+v1+u⁢v=tanh⁢(arctanh⁢u+arctanh⁢v), which can be realized by a two-layer KAN. Pretending we do not know the notion of rapidity in physics, we could potentially discover this concept right from KANs without trial-and-error symbolic manipulations. The interpretability of KANs which can facilitate scientific discovery is the main topic in Section 4.
3.4 Solving partial differential equations
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Figure 3.3: The PDE example. We plot L2 squared and H1 squared losses between the predicted solution and ground truth solution. First and second: training dynamics of losses. Third and fourth: scaling laws of losses against the number of parameters. KANs converge faster, achieve lower losses, and have steeper scaling laws than MLPs.

We consider a Poisson equation with zero Dirichlet boundary data. For Ω=[−1,1]2, consider the PDE
	ux⁢x+uy⁢y 	=fin⁢Ω, 		(3.2)
	u 	=0on⁢∂Ω. 	

We consider the data f=−π2⁢(1+4⁢y2)⁢sin⁡(π⁢x)⁢sin⁡(π⁢y2)+2⁢π⁢sin⁡(π⁢x)⁢cos⁡(π⁢y2) for which u=sin⁡(π⁢x)⁢sin⁡(π⁢y2) is the true solution. We use the framework of physics-informed neural networks (PINNs) [22, 23] to solve this PDE, with the loss function given by
	
losspde=α⁢lossi+lossb≔α⁢1ni⁢∑i=1ni|ux⁢x⁢(zi)+uy⁢y⁢(zi)−f⁢(zi)|2+1nb⁢∑i=1nbu2,
	

where we use lossi to denote the interior loss, discretized and evaluated by a uniform sampling of ni points zi=(xi,yi) inside the domain, and similarly we use lossb to denote the boundary loss, discretized and evaluated by a uniform sampling of nb points on the boundary. α is the hyperparameter balancing the effect of the two terms.

We compare the KAN architecture with that of MLPs using the same hyperparameters ni=10000, nb=800, and α=0.01. We measure both the error in the L2 norm and energy (H1) norm and see that KAN achieves a much better scaling law with a smaller error, using smaller networks and fewer parameters; see Figure 3.3. Therefore we speculate that KANs might have the potential of serving as a good neural network representation for model reduction of PDEs.
3.5 Continual Learning
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Figure 3.4: A toy continual learning problem. The dataset is a 1D regression task with 5 Gaussian peaks (top row). Data around each peak is presented sequentially (instead of all at once) to KANs and MLPs. KANs (middle row) can perfectly avoid catastrophic forgetting, while MLPs (bottom row) display severe catastrophic forgetting.

Catastrophic forgetting is a serious problem in current machine learning [24]. When a human masters a task and switches to another task, they do not forget how to perform the first task. Unfortunately, this is not the case for neural networks. When a neural network is trained on task 1 and then shifted to being trained on task 2, the network will soon forget about how to perform task 1. A key difference between artificial neural networks and human brains is that human brains have functionally distinct modules placed locally in space. When a new task is learned, structure re-organization only occurs in local regions responsible for relevant skills [25, 26], leaving other regions intact. Most artificial neural networks, including MLPs, do not have this notion of locality, which is probably the reason for catastrophic forgetting.

We show that KANs have local plasticity and can avoid catastrophic forgetting by leveraging the locality of splines. The idea is simple: since spline bases are local, a sample will only affect a few nearby spline coefficients, leaving far-away coefficients intact (which is desirable since far-away regions may have already stored information that we want to preserve). By contrast, since MLPs usually use global activations, e.g., ReLU/Tanh/SiLU etc., any local change may propagate uncontrollably to regions far away, destroying the information being stored there.

We use a toy example to validate this intuition. The 1D regression task is composed of 5 Gaussian peaks. Data around each peak is presented sequentially (instead of all at once) to KANs and MLPs, as shown in Figure 3.4 top row. KAN and MLP predictions after each training phase are shown in the middle and bottom rows. As expected, KAN only remodels regions where data is present on in the current phase, leaving previous regions unchanged. By contrast, MLPs remodels the whole region after seeing new data samples, leading to catastrophic forgetting.

Here we simply present our preliminary results on an extremely simple example, to demonstrate how one could possibly leverage locality in KANs (thanks to spline parametrizations) to reduce catastrophic forgetting. However, it remains unclear whether our method can generalize to more realistic setups, which we leave for future work. We would also like to study how our method can be connected to and combined with SOTA methods in continual learning [27, 28].
4 KANs are interpretable

In this section, we show that KANs are interpretable and interactive thanks to the techniques we developed in Section 2.5. We want to test the use of KANs not only on synthetic tasks (Section 4.1 and 4.2), but also in real-life scientific research. We demonstrate that KANs can (re)discover both highly non-trivial relations in knot theory (Section 4.3) and phase transition boundaries in condensed matter physics (Section 4.4). KANs could potentially be the foundation model for AI + Science due to their accuracy (last section) and interpretability (this section).
4.1 Supervised toy datasets
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Figure 4.1: KANs are interepretable for simple symbolic tasks

We first examine KANs’ ability to reveal the compositional structures in symbolic formulas. Six examples are listed below and their KANs are visualized in Figure 4.1. KANs are able to reveal the compositional structures present in these formulas, as well as learn the correct univariate functions.

    (a)

    Multiplication f⁢(x,y)=x⁢y. A [2,5,1] KAN is pruned to a [2,2,1] KAN. The learned activation functions are linear and quadratic. From the computation graph, we see that the way it computes x⁢y is leveraging 2⁢x⁢y=(x+y)2−(x2+y2).
    (b)

    Division of positive numbers f⁢(x,y)=x/y. A [2,5,1] KAN is pruned to a [2,1,1] KAN. The learned activation functions are logarithmic and exponential functions, and the KAN is computing x/y by leveraging the identity x/y=exp⁡(log⁡x−log⁡y).
    (c)

    Numerical to categorical. The task is to convert a real number in [0,1] to its first decimal digit (as one hots), e.g., 0.0618→[1,0,0,0,0,⋯], 0.314→[0,0,0,1,0,⋯]. Notice that activation functions are learned to be spikes located around the corresponding decimal digits.
    (d)

    Special function f⁢(x,y)=exp⁢(J0⁢(20⁢x)+y2). One limitation of symbolic regression is that it will never find the correct formula of a special function if the special function is not provided as prior knowledge. KANs can learn special functions – the highly wiggly Bessel function J0⁢(20⁢x) is learned (numerically) by KAN.
    (e)

    Phase transition f⁢(x1,x2,x3)=tanh⁢(5⁢(x14+x24+x34−1)). Phase transitions are of great interest in physics, so we want KANs to be able to detect phase transitions and to identify the correct order parameters. We use the tanh function to simulate the phase transition behavior, and the order parameter is the combination of the quartic terms of x1,x2,x3. Both the quartic dependence and tanh dependence emerge after KAN training. This is a simplified case of a localization phase transition discussed in Section 4.4.
    (f)

    Deeper compositions f⁢(x1,x2,x3,x4)=(x1−x2)2+(x3−x4)2. To compute this, we would need the identity function, squared function, and square root, which requires at least a three-layer KAN. Indeed, we find that a [4,3,3,1] KAN can be auto-pruned to a [4,2,1,1] KAN, which exactly corresponds to the computation graph we would expect.

More examples from the Feynman dataset and the special function dataset are visualized in Figure D.2, D.3, F.1, F.2 in Appendices D and F.
4.2 Unsupervised toy dataset

Often, scientific discoveries are formulated as supervised learning problems, i.e., given input variables x1,x2,⋯,xd and output variable(s) y, we want to find an interpretable function f such that y≈f⁢(x1,x2,⋯,xd). However, another type of scientific discovery can be formulated as unsupervised learning, i.e., given a set of variables (x1,x2,⋯,xd), we want to discover a structural relationship between the variables. Specifically, we want to find a non-zero f such that
	f⁢(x1,x2,⋯,xd)≈0. 		(4.1)

For example, consider a set of features (x1,x2,x3) that satisfies x3=exp⁢(sin⁢(π⁢x1)+x22). Then a valid f is f⁢(x1,x2,x3)=sin⁢(π⁢x1)+x22−log⁢(x3)=0, implying that points of (x1,x2,x3) form a 2D submanifold specified by f=0 instead of filling the whole 3D space.

If an algorithm for solving the unsupervised problem can be devised, it has a considerable advantage over the supervised problem, since it requires only the sets of features S=(x1,x2,⋯,xd). The supervised problem, on the other hand, tries to predict subsets of features in terms of the others, i.e. it splits S=Sin∪Sout into input and output features of the function to be learned. Without domain expertise to advise the splitting, there are 2d−2 possibilities such that |Sin|>0 and |Sout|>0. This exponentially large space of supervised problems can be avoided by using the unsupervised approach. This unsupervised learning approach will be valuable to the knot dataset in Section 4.3. A Google Deepmind team [29] manually chose signature to be the target variable, otherwise they would face this combinatorial problem described above. This raises the question whether we can instead tackle the unsupervised learning directly. We present our method and a toy example below.

We tackle the unsupervised learning problem by turning it into a supervised learning problem on all of the d features, without requiring the choice of a splitting. The essential idea is to learn a function f⁢(x1,…,xd)=0 such that f is not the 0-function. To do this, similar to contrastive learning, we define positive samples and negative samples: positive samples are feature vectors of real data. Negative samples are constructed by feature corruption. To ensure that the overall feature distribution for each topological invariant stays the same, we perform feature corruption by random permutation of each feature across the entire training set. Now we want to train a network g such that g⁢(𝐱real)=1 and g⁢(𝐱fake)=0 which turns the problem into a supervised problem. However, remember that we originally want f⁢(𝐱real)=0 and f⁢(𝐱fake)≠0. We can achieve this by having g=σ∘f where σ⁢(x)=exp⁢(−x22⁢w2) is a Gaussian function with a small width w, which can be conveniently realized by a KAN with shape […,1,1] whose last activation is set to be the Gaussian function σ and all previous layers form f. Except for the modifications mentioned above, everything else is the same for supervised training.
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Figure 4.2: Unsupervised learning of a toy task. KANs can identify groups of dependent variables, i.e., (x1,x2,x3) and (x4,x5) in this case.

Now we demonstrate that the unsupervised paradigm works for a synthetic example. Let us consider a 6D dataset, where (x1,x2,x3) are dependent variables such that x3=exp⁡(sin⁡(x1)+x22); (x4,x5) are dependent variables with x5=x43; x6 is independent of the other variables. In Figure 4.2, we show that for seed = 0, KAN reveals the functional dependence among x1,x2, and x3; for another seed = 2024, KAN reveals the functional dependence between x4 and x5. Our preliminary results rely on randomness (different seeds) to discover different relations; in the future we would like to investigate a more systematic and more controlled way to discover a complete set of relations. Even so, our tool in its current status can provide insights for scientific tasks. We present our results with the knot dataset in Section 4.3.
4.3 Application to Mathematics: Knot Theory

Knot theory is a subject in low-dimensional topology that sheds light on topological aspects of three-manifolds and four-manifolds and has a variety of applications, including in biology and topological quantum computing. Mathematically, a knot K is an embedding of S1 into S3. Two knots K and K′ are topologically equivalent if one can be deformed into the other via deformation of the ambient space S3, in which case we write [K]=[K′]. Some knots are topologically trivial, meaning that they can be smoothly deformed to a standard circle. Knots have a variety of deformation-invariant features f called topological invariants, which may be used to show that two knots are topologically inequivalent, [K]≠[K′] if f⁢(K)≠f⁢(K′). In some cases the topological invariants are geometric in nature. For instance, a hyperbolic knot K has a knot complement S3∖K that admits a canonical hyperbolic metric g such that volg⁢(K) is a topological invariant known as the hyperbolic volume. Other topological invariants are algebraic in nature, such as the Jones polynomial.

Given the fundamental nature of knots in mathematics and the importance of its applications, it is interesting to study whether ML can lead to new results. For instance, in [30] reinforcement learning was utilized to establish ribbonness of certain knots, which ruled out many potential counterexamples to the smooth 4d Poincaré conjecture.

Supervised learning In [29], supervised learning and human domain experts were utilized to arrive at a new theorem relating algebraic and geometric knot invariants. In this case, gradient saliency identified key invariants for the supervised problem, which led the domain experts to make a conjecture that was subsequently refined and proven. We study whether a KAN can achieve good interpretable results on the same problem, which predicts the signature of a knot. Their main results from studying the knot theory dataset are:

    (1)

    They use network attribution methods to find that the signature σ is mostly dependent on meridinal distance μ (real μr, imag μi) and longitudinal distance λ.
    (2)

    Human scientists later identified that σ has high correlation with the slope≡Re⁢(λμ)=λ⁢μrμr2+μi2 and derived a bound for |2⁢σ−slope|.

We show below that KANs not only rediscover these results with much smaller networks and much more automation, but also present some interesting new results and insights.
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Figure 4.3: Knot dataset, supervised mode. With KANs, we rediscover Deepmind’s results that signature is mainly dependent on meridinal translation (real and imaginary parts).

To investigate (1), we treat 17 knot invariants as inputs and signature as outputs. Similar to the setup in [29], signatures (which are even numbers) are encoded as one-hot vectors and networks are trained with cross-entropy loss. We find that an extremely small [17,1,14] KAN is able to achieve 81.6% test accuracy (while Deepmind’s 4-layer width-300 MLP achieves 78% test accuracy). The [17,1,14] KAN (G=3, k=3) has ≈200 parameters, while the MLP has ≈3×105 parameters, shown in Table 4. It is remarkable that KANs can be both more accurate and much more parameter efficient than MLPs at the same time. In terms of interpretability, we scale the transparency of each activation according to its magnitude, so it becomes immediately clear which input variables are important without the need for feature attribution (see Figure 4.3 left): signature is mostly dependent on μr, and slightly dependent on μi and λ, while dependence on other variables is small. We then train a [3,1,14] KAN on the three important variables, obtaining test accuracy 78.2%. Our results have one subtle difference from results in [29]: they find that signature is mostly dependent on μi, while we find that signature is mostly dependent on μr. This difference could be due to subtle algorithmic choices, but has led us to carry out the following experiments: (a) ablation studies. We show that μr contributes more to accuracy than μi (see Figure 4.3): for example, μr alone can achieve 65.0% accuracy, while μi alone can only achieve 43.8% accuracy. (b) We find a symbolic formula (in Table 5) which only involves μr and λ, but can achieve 77.8% test accuracy.
Method 	Architecture 	Parameter Count 	Accuracy
Deepmind’s MLP 	4 layer, width-300 	3×105 	78.0%
KANs 	2 layer, [17,1,14] (G=3, k=3) 	2×102 	81.6%
Table 4: KANs can achieve better accuracy than MLPs with much fewer parameters in the signature classification problem.

To investigate (2), i.e., obtain the symbolic form of σ, we formulate the problem as a regression task. Using auto-symbolic regression introduced in Section 2.5.1, we can convert a trained KAN into symbolic formulas. We train KANs with shapes [3,1], [3,1,1], [3,2,1], whose corresponding symbolic formulas are displayed in Table 5 B-D. It is clear that by having a larger KAN, both accuracy and complexity increase. So KANs provide not just a single symbolic formula, but a whole Pareto frontier of formulas, trading off simplicity and accuracy. However, KANs need additional inductive biases to further simplify these equations to rediscover the formula from [29] (Table 5 A). We have tested two scenarios: (1) in the first scenario, we assume the ground truth formula has a multi-variate Pade representation (division of two multi-variate Taylor series). We first train [3,2,1] and then fit it to a Pade representation. We can obtain Formula E in Table 5, which bears similarity with Deepmind’s formula. (2) We hypothesize that the division is not very interpretable for KANs, so we train two KANs (one for the numerator and the other for the denominator) and divide them manually. Surprisingly, we end up with the formula F (in Table 5) which only involves μr and λ, although μi is also provided but ignored by KANs.
Id 	Formula 	Discovered by 	test acc 	r2 with Signature 	r2 with DM formula
A 	λ⁢μr(μr2+μi2) 	Human (DM) 	83.1% 	0.946 	1
B 	−0.02⁢sin⁢(4.98⁢μi+0.85)+0.08⁢|4.02⁢μr+6.28|−0.52−0.04⁢e−0.88⁢(1−0.45⁢λ)2 	[3,1] KAN 	62.6% 	0.837 	0.897
C 	0.17⁢tan⁢(−1.51+0.1⁢e−1.43⁢(1−0.4⁢μi)2+0.09⁢e−0.06⁢(1−0.21⁢λ)2+1.32⁢e−3.18⁢(1−0.43⁢μr)2) 	[3,1,1] KAN 	71.9% 	0.871 	0.934
D 	−0.09+1.04⁢exp⁢(−9.59⁢(−0.62⁢sin⁢(0.61⁢μr+7.26))−0.32⁢tan⁢(0.03⁢λ−6.59)+1−0.11⁢e−1.77(0.31−μi)2)2−1.09⁢e−7.6(0.65(1−0.01λ)3+0.27⁢atan⁢(0.53⁢μi−0.6)+0.09+exp⁢(−2.58⁢(1−0.36⁢μr)2)) 	[3,2,1] KAN 	84.0% 	0.947 	0.997
E 	4.76⁢λ⁢μr3.09⁢μi+6.05⁢μr2+3.54⁢μi2 	[3,2,1] KAN + Pade approx 	82.8% 	0.946 	0.997
F 	2.94−2.92⁢(1−0.10⁢μr)20.32⁢(0.18−μr)2+5.36⁢(1−0.04⁢λ)2+0.50 	[3,1] KAN/[3,1] KAN 	77.8% 	0.925 	0.977
Table 5: Symbolic formulas of signature as a function of meridinal translation μ (real μr, imag μi) and longitudinal translation λ. In [29], formula A was discovered by human scientists inspired by neural network attribution results. Formulas B-F are auto-discovered by KANs. KANs can trade-off between simplicity and accuracy (B, C, D). By adding more inductive biases, KAN is able to discover formula E which is not too dissimilar from formula A. KANs also discovered a formula F which only involves two variables (μr and λ) instead of all three variables, with little sacrifice in accuracy.

So far, we have rediscovered the main results from [29]. It is remarkable to see that KANs made this discovery very intuitive and convenient. Instead of using feature attribution methods (which are great methods), one can instead simply stare at visualizations of KANs. Moreover, automatic symbolic regression also makes the discovery of symbolic formulas much easier.

In the next part, we propose a new paradigm of “AI for Math” not included in the Deepmind paper, where we aim to use KANs’ unsupervised learning mode to discover more relations (besides signature) in knot invariants.
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Figure 4.4: Knot dataset, unsupervised mode. With KANs, we rediscover three mathematical relations in the knot dataset.

Unsupervised learning As we mentioned in Section 4.2, unsupervised learning is the setup that is more promising since it avoids manual partition of input and output variables which have combinatorially many possibilities. In the unsupervised learning mode, we treat all 18 variables (including signature) as inputs such that they are on the same footing. Knot data are positive samples, and we randomly shuffle features to obtain negative samples. An [18,1,1] KAN is trained to classify whether a given feature vector belongs to a positive sample (1) or a negative sample (0). We manually set the second layer activation to be the Gaussian function with a peak one centered at zero, so positive samples will have activations at (around) zero, implicitly giving a relation among knot invariants ∑i=118gi⁢(xi)=0 where xi stands for a feature (invariant), and gi is the corresponding activation function which can be readily read off from KAN diagrams. We train the KANs with λ={10−2,10−3} to favor sparse combination of inputs, and seed={0,1,⋯,99}. All 200 networks can be grouped into three clusters, with representative KANs displayed in Figure 4.4. These three groups of dependent variables are:

    (1)

    The first group of dependent variables is signature, real part of meridinal distance, and longitudinal distance (plus two other variables which can be removed because of (3)). This is the signature dependence studied above, so it is very interesting to see that this dependence relation is rediscovered again in the unsupervised mode.
    (2)

    The second group of variables involve cusp volume V, real part of meridinal translation μr and longitudinal translation λ. Their activations all look like logarithmic functions (which can be verified by the implied symbolic functionality in Section 2.5.1). So the relation is −log⁡V+log⁡μr+log⁡λ=0 which is equivalent to V=μr⁢λ, which is true by definition. It is, however, reassuring that we discover this relation without any prior knowledge.
    (3)

    The third group of variables includes the real part of short geodesic gr and injectivity radius. Their activations look qualitatively the same but differ by a minus sign, so it is conjectured that these two variables have a linear correlation. We plot 2D scatters, finding that 2⁢r upper bounds gr, which is also a well-known relation [31].

It is interesting that KANs’ unsupervised mode can rediscover several known mathematical relations. The good news is that the results discovered by KANs are probably reliable; the bad news is that we have not discovered anything new yet. It is worth noting that we have chosen a shallow KAN for simple visualization, but deeper KANs can probably find more relations if they exist. We would like to investigate how to discover more complicated relations with deeper KANs in future work.
4.4 Application to Physics: Anderson localization

Anderson localization is the fundamental phenomenon in which disorder in a quantum system leads to the localization of electronic wave functions, causing all transport to be ceased [32]. In one and two dimensions, scaling arguments show that all electronic eigenstates are exponentially localized for an infinitesimal amount of random disorder [33, 34]. In contrast, in three dimensions, a critical energy forms a phase boundary that separates the extended states from the localized states, known as a mobility edge. The understanding of these mobility edges is crucial for explaining various fundamental phenomena such as the metal-insulator transition in solids [35], as well as localization effects of light in photonic devices [36, 37, 38, 39, 40]. It is therefore necessary to develop microscopic models that exhibit mobility edges to enable detailed investigations. Developing such models is often more practical in lower dimensions, where introducing quasiperiodicity instead of random disorder can also result in mobility edges that separate localized and extended phases. Furthermore, experimental realizations of analytical mobility edges can help resolve the debate on localization in interacting systems [41, 42]. Indeed, several recent studies have focused on identifying such models and deriving exact analytic expressions for their mobility edges [43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49].

Here, we apply KANs to numerical data generated from quasiperiodic tight-binding models to extract their mobility edges. In particular, we examine three classes of models: the Mosaic model (MM) [47], the generalized Aubry-André model (GAAM) [46] and the modified Aubry-André model (MAAM) [44]. For the MM, we testify KAN’s ability to accurately extract mobility edge as a 1D function of energy. For the GAAM, we find that the formula obtained from a KAN closely matches the ground truth. For the more complicated MAAM, we demonstrate yet another example of the symbolic interpretability of this framework. A user can simplify the complex expression obtained from KANs (and corresponding symbolic formulas) by means of a “collaboration” where the human generates hypotheses to obtain a better match (e.g., making an assumption of the form of certain activation function), after which KANs can carry out quick hypotheses testing.

To quantify the localization of states in these models, the inverse participation ratio (IPR) is commonly used. The IPR for the kt⁢h eigenstate, ψ(k), is given by
	IPRk=∑n|ψn(k)|4(∑n|ψn(k)|2)2 		(4.2)

where the sum runs over the site index. Here, we use the related measure of localization – the fractal dimension of the states, given by
	Dk=−log⁡(IPRk)log⁡(N) 		(4.3)

where N is the system size. Dk=0⁢(1) indicates localized (extended) states.

Mosaic Model (MM) We first consider a class of tight-binding models defined by the Hamiltonian [47]
	H=t⁢∑n(cn+1†⁢cn+H.c.)+∑nVn⁢(λ,ϕ)⁢cn†⁢cn, 		(4.4)

where t is the nearest-neighbor coupling, cn⁢(cn†) is the annihilation (creation) operator at site n and the potential energy Vn is given by
	Vn⁢(λ,ϕ)={λ⁢cos⁡(2⁢π⁢n⁢b+ϕ)j=m⁢κ0,otherwise, 		(4.5)

To introduce quasiperiodicity, we set b to be irrational (in particular, we choose b to be the golden ratio 1+52). κ is an integer and the quasiperiodic potential occurs with interval κ. The energy (E) spectrum for this model generically contains extended and localized regimes separated by a mobility edge. Interestingly, a unique feature found here is that the mobility edges are present for an arbitrarily strong quasiperiodic potential (i.e. there are always extended states present in the system that co-exist with localized ones).

The mobility edge can be described by g⁢(λ,E)≡λ−|fκ⁢(E)|=0. g⁢(λ,E) > 0 and g⁢(λ,E) < 0 correspond to localized and extended phases, respectively. Learning the mobility edge therefore hinges on learning the “order parameter” g⁢(λ,E). Admittedly, this problem can be tackled by many other theoretical methods for this class of models [47], but we will demonstrate below that our KAN framework is ready and convenient to take in assumptions and inductive biases from human users.

Let us assume a hypothetical user Alice, who is a new PhD student in condensed matter physics, and she is provided with a [2,1] KAN as an assistant for the task. Firstly, she understands that this is a classification task, so it is wise to set the activation function in the second layer to be sigmoid by using the fix_symbolic functionality. Secondly, she realizes that learning the whole 2D function g⁢(λ,E) is unnecessary because in the end she only cares about λ=λ⁢(E) determined by g⁢(λ,E)=0. In so doing, it is reasonable to assume g⁢(λ,E)=λ−h⁢(E)=0. Alice simply sets the activation function of λ to be linear by again using the fix_symbolic functionality. Now Alice trains the KAN network and conveniently obtains the mobility edge, as shown in Figure 4.5. Alice can get both intuitive qualitative understanding (bottom) and quantitative results (middle), which well match the ground truth (top).
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Figure 4.5: Results for the Mosaic Model. Top: phase diagram. Middle and Bottom: KANs can obtain both qualitative intuition (bottom) and extract quantitative results (middle). φ=1+52 is the golden ratio.

Generalized Andre-Aubry Model (GAAM) We next consider a class of tight-binding models defined by the Hamiltonian [46]
	H=t⁢∑n(cn+1†⁢cn+H.c.)+∑nVn⁢(α,λ,ϕ)⁢cn†⁢cn, 		(4.6)

where t is the nearest-neighbor coupling, cn⁢(cn†) is the annihilation (creation) operator at site n and the potential energy Vn is given by
	Vn⁢(α,λ,ϕ)=2⁢λ⁢cos⁡(2⁢π⁢n⁢b+ϕ)1−α⁢cos⁡(2⁢π⁢n⁢b+ϕ), 		(4.7)

which is smooth for α∈(−1,1). To introduce quasiperiodicity, we again set b to be irrational (in particular, we choose b to be the golden ratio). As before, we would like to obtain an expression for the mobility edge. For these models, the mobility edge is given by the closed form expression [46, 48],
	α⁢E=2⁢(t−λ). 		(4.8)

We randomly sample the model parameters: ϕ, α and λ (setting the energy scale t=1) and calculate the energy eigenvalues as well as the fractal dimension of the corresponding eigenstates, which forms our training dataset.
System 	Origin 	Mobility Edge Formula 	Accuracy
GAAM 	Theory 	α⁢E+2⁢λ−2=0 	99.2%
KAN auto 	1.52⁢E2+21.06⁢α⁢E+0.66⁢E+3.55⁢α2+0.91⁢α+45.13⁢λ−54.45=0 	99.0%
MAAM 	Theory 	E+exp⁢(p)−λ⁢cosh⁢p=0 	98.6%
KAN auto 	13.99⁢sin⁢(0.28⁢sin⁢(0.87⁢λ+2.22)−0.84⁢arctan⁢(0.58⁢E−0.26)+0.85⁢arctan⁢(0.94⁢p+0.13)−8.14)−16.74+43.08⁢exp⁢(−0.93⁢(0.06⁢(0.13−p)2−0.27⁢tanh⁢(0.65⁢E+0.25)+0.63⁢arctan⁢(0.54⁢λ−0.62)+1)2)=0 	97.1%
KAN man (step 2) + auto 	4.19⁢(0.28⁢sin⁢(0.97⁢λ+2.17)−0.77⁢arctan⁢(0.83⁢E−0.19)+arctan⁢(0.97⁢p+0.15)−0.35)2−28.93+39.27⁢exp⁢(−0.6⁢(0.28⁢cosh2⁢(0.49⁢p−0.16)−0.34⁢arctan⁢(0.65⁢E+0.51)+0.83⁢arctan⁢(0.54⁢λ−0.62)+1)2)=0 	97.7%
KAN man (step 3) + auto 	−4.63⁢E−10.25⁢(−0.94⁢sin⁢(0.97⁢λ−6.81)+tanh⁢(0.8⁢p−0.45)+0.09)2+11.78⁢sin⁢(0.76⁢p−1.41)+22.49⁢arctan⁢(1.08⁢λ−1.32)+31.72=0 	97.7%
KAN man (step 4A) 	6.92⁢E−6.23⁢(−0.92⁢λ−1)2+2572.45⁢(−0.05⁢λ+0.95⁢cosh⁢(0.11⁢p+0.4)−1)2−12.96⁢cosh2⁢(0.53⁢p+0.16)+19.89=0 	96.6%
KAN man (step 4B) 	7.25⁢E−8.81⁢(−0.83⁢λ−1)2−4.08⁢(−p−0.04)2+12.71⁢(−0.71⁢λ+(0.3⁢p+1)2−0.86)2+10.29=0 	95.4%
Table 6: Symbolic formulas for two systems GAAM and MAAM, ground truth ones and KAN-discovered ones.

Here the “order parameter” to be learned is g⁢(α,E,λ,ϕ)=α⁢E+2⁢(λ−1) and mobility edge corresponds to g=0. Let us again assume that Alice wants to figure out the mobility edge but only has access to IPR or fractal dimension data, so she decides to use KAN to help her with the task. Alice wants the model to be as small as possible, so she could either start from a large model and use auto-pruning to get a small model, or she could guess a reasonable small model based on her understanding of the complexity of the given problem. Either way, let us assume she arrives at a [4,2,1,1] KAN. First, she sets the last activation to be sigmoid because this is a classification problem. She trains her KAN with some sparsity regularization to accuracy 98.7% and visualizes the trained KAN in Figure 4.6 (a) step 1. She observes that ϕ is not picked up on at all, which makes her realize that the mobility edge is independent of ϕ (agreeing with Eq. (4.8)). In addition, she observes that almost all other activation functions are linear or quadratic, so she turns on automatic symbolic snapping, constraining the library to be only linear or quadratic. After that, she immediately gets a network which is already symbolic (shown in Figure 4.6 (a) step 2), with comparable (even slightly better) accuracy 98.9%. By using symbolic_formula functionality, Alice conveniently gets the symbolic form of g, shown in Table 6 GAAM-KAN auto (row three). Perhaps she wants to cross out some small terms and snap coefficient to small integers, which takes her close to the true answer.

This hypothetical story for Alice would be completely different if she is using a symbolic regression method. If she is lucky, SR can return the exact correct formula. However, the vast majority of the time SR does not return useful results and it is impossible for Alice to “debug” or interact with the underlying process of symbolic regression. Furthermore, Alice may feel uncomfortable/inexperienced to provide a library of symbolic terms as prior knowledge to SR before SR is run. By constrast in KANs, Alice does not need to put any prior information to KANs. She can first get some clues by staring at a trained KAN and only then it is her job to decide which hypothesis she wants to make (e.g., “all activations are linear or quadratic”) and implement her hypothesis in KANs. Although it is not likely for KANs to return the correct answer immediately, KANs will always return something useful, and Alice can collaborate with it to refine the results.

Modified Andre-Aubry Model (MAAM) The last class of models we consider is defined by the Hamiltonian [44]
	H=∑n≠n′t⁢e−p⁢|n−n′|⁢(cn†⁢cn′+H.c.)+∑nVn⁢(λ,ϕ)⁢cn†⁢cn, 		(4.9)

where t is the strength of the exponentially decaying coupling in space, cn⁢(cn†) is the annihilation (creation) operator at site n and the potential energy Vn is given by
	Vn⁢(λ,ϕ)=λ⁢cos⁡(2⁢π⁢n⁢b+ϕ), 		(4.10)

As before, to introduce quasiperiodicity, we set b to be irrational (the golden ratio). For these models, the mobility edge is given by the closed form expression [44],
	λ⁢cosh⁡(p)=E+t=E+t1⁢exp⁢(p) 		(4.11)

where we define t1≡t⁢exp⁢(−p) as the nearest neighbor hopping strength, and we set t1=1 below.
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Figure 4.6: Human-KAN collaboration to discover mobility edges of GAAM and MAAM. The human user can choose to be lazy (using the auto mode) or more involved (using the manual mode). More details in text.

Let us assume Alice wants to figure out the mobility edge for MAAM. This task is more complicated and requires more human wisdom. As in the last example, Alice starts from a [4,2,1,1] KAN and trains it but gets an accuracy around 75% which is less than acceptable. She then chooses a larger [4,3,1,1] KAN and successfully gets 98.4% which is acceptable (Figure 4.6 (b) step 1). Alice notices that ϕ is not picked up on by KANs, which means that the mobility edge is independent of the phase factor ϕ (agreeing with Eq. (4.11)). If Alice turns on the automatic symbolic regression (using a large library consisting of exp, tanh etc.), she would get a complicated formula in Tabel 6-MAAM-KAN auto, which has 97.1% accuracy. However, if Alice wants to find a simpler symbolic formula, she will want to use the manual mode where she does the symbolic snapping by herself. Before that she finds that the [4,3,1,1] KAN after training can then be pruned to be [4,2,1,1], while maintaining 97.7% accuracy (Figure 4.6 (b)). Alice may think that all activation functions except those dependent on p are linear or quadratic and snap them to be either linear or quadratic manually by using fix_symbolic. After snapping and retraining, the updated KAN is shown in Figure 4.6 (c) step 3, maintaining 97.7% accuracy. From now on, Alice may make two different choices based on her prior knowledge. In one case, Alice may have guessed that the dependence on p is cosh, so she sets the activations of p to be cosh function. She retrains KAN and gets 96.9% accuracy (Figure 4.6 (c) Step 4A). In another case, Alice does not know the cosh⁢p dependence, so she pursues simplicity and again assumes the functions of p to be quadratic. She retrains KAN and gets 95.4% accuracy (Figure 4.6 (c) Step 4B). If she tried both, she would realize that cosh is better in terms of accuracy, while quadratic is better in terms of simplicity. The formulas corresponding to these steps are listed in Table 6. It is clear that the more manual operations are done by Alice, the simpler the symbolic formula is (which slight sacrifice in accuracy). KANs have a “knob" that a user can tune to trade-off between simplicity and accuracy (sometimes simplicity can even lead to better accuracy, as in the GAAM case).
5 Related works

Kolmogorov-Arnold theorem and neural networks. The connection between the Kolmogorov-Arnold theorem (KAT) and neural networks is not new in the literature  [50, 51, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13], but the pathological behavior of inner functions makes KAT appear unpromising in practice [50]. Most of these prior works stick to the original 2-layer width-(2⁢n+1) networks, which were limited in expressive power and many of them are even predating back-propagation. Therefore, most studies were built on theories with rather limited or artificial toy experiments. Our contribution lies in generalizing the network to arbitrary widths and depths, revitalizing and contexualizing them in today’s deep learning stream, as well as highlighting its potential role as a foundation model for AI + Science.

Neural Scaling Laws (NSLs). NSLs are the phenomena where test losses behave as power laws against model size, data, compute etc [52, 53, 54, 55, 17, 56, 57, 58]. The origin of NSLs still remains mysterious, but competitive theories include intrinsic dimensionality [52], quantization of tasks [57], resource theory [58], random features [56], compositional sparsity [50], and maximu arity [18]. This paper contributes to this space by showing that a high-dimensional function can surprisingly scale as a 1D function (which is the best possible bound one can hope for) if it has a smooth Kolmogorov-Arnold representation. Our paper brings fresh optimism to neural scaling laws, since it promises the fastest scaling exponent ever. We have shown in our experiments that this fast neural scaling law can be achieved on synthetic datasets, but future research is required to address the question whether this fast scaling is achievable for more complicated tasks (e.g., language modeling): Do KA representations exist for general tasks? If so, does our training find these representations in practice?

Mechanistic Interpretability (MI). MI is an emerging field that aims to mechanistically understand the inner workings of neural networks [59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 5]. MI research can be roughly divided into passive and active MI research. Most MI research is passive in focusing on understanding existing neural networks trained with standard methods. Active MI research attempts to achieve interpretability by designing intrinsically interpretable architectures or developing training methods to explicitly encourage interpretability [65, 66]. Our work lies in the second category, where the model and training method are by design interpretable.

Learnable activations. The idea of learnable activations in neural networks is not new in machine learning. Trainable activations functions are learned in a differentiable way [67, 13, 68, 69] or searched in a discrete way [70]. Activation function are parametrized as polynomials [67], splines [13, 71, 72], sigmoid linear unit [68], or neural networks [69]. KANs use B-splines to parametrize their activation functions. We also present our preliminary results on learnable activation networks (LANs), whose properties lie between KANs and MLPs and their results are deferred to Appendix B to focus on KANs in the main paper.

Symbolic Regression. There are many off-the-shelf symbolic regression methods based on genetic algorithms (Eureka [73], GPLearn [74], PySR [75]), neural-network based methods (EQL [76], OccamNet [77]), physics-inspired method (AI Feynman [20, 21]), and reinforcement learning-based methods [78]. KANs are most similar to neural network-based methods, but differ from previous works in that our activation functions are continuously learned before symbolic snapping rather than manually fixed [73, 77].

Physics-Informed Neural Networks (PINNs) and Physics-Informed Neural Operators (PINOs). In Subsection 3.4, we demonstrate that KANs can replace the paradigm of using MLPs for imposing PDE loss when solving PDEs. We refer to Deep Ritz Method [79], PINNs [22, 23] for PDE solving, and Fourier Neural operator [80], PINOs [81, 82, 83], DeepONet [84] for operator learning methods learning the solution map. There is potential to replace MLPs with KANs in all the aforementioned networks.

AI for Mathematics. As we saw in Subsection 4.3, AI has recently been applied to several problems in Knot theory, including detecting whether a knot is the unknot [85, 86] or a ribbon knot [30], and predicting knot invariants and uncovering relations among them [87, 88, 89, 29]. For a summary of data science applications to datasets in mathematics and theoretical physics see e.g. [90, 91], and for ideas how to obtain rigorous results from ML techniques in these fields, see [92].
6 Discussion

In this section, we discuss KANs’ limitations and future directions from the perspective of mathematical foundation, algorithms and applications.

Mathematical aspects: Although we have presented preliminary mathematical analysis of KANs (Theorem 2.1), our mathematical understanding of them is still very limited. The Kolmogorov-Arnold representation theorem has been studied thoroughly in mathematics, but the theorem corresponds to KANs with shape [n,2⁢n+1,1], which is a very restricted subclass of KANs. Does our empirical success with deeper KANs imply something fundamental in mathematics? An appealing generalized Kolmogorov-Arnold theorem could define “deeper” Kolmogorov-Arnold representations beyond depth-2 compositions, and potentially relate smoothness of activation functions to depth. Hypothetically, there exist functions which cannot be represented smoothly in the original (depth-2) Kolmogorov-Arnold representations, but might be smoothly represented with depth-3 or beyond. Can we use this notion of “Kolmogorov-Arnold depth” to characterize function classes?

Algorithmic aspects: We discuss the following:

    (1)

    Accuracy. Multiple choices in architecture design and training are not fully investigated so alternatives can potentially further improve accuracy. For example, spline activation functions might be replaced by radial basis functions or other local kernels. Adaptive grid strategies can be used.
    (2)

    Efficiency. One major reason why KANs run slowly is because different activation functions cannot leverage batch computation (large data through the same function). Actually, one can interpolate between activation functions being all the same (MLPs) and all different (KANs), by grouping activation functions into multiple groups (“multi-head”), where members within a group share the same activation function.
    (3)

    Hybrid of KANs and MLPs. KANs have two major differences compared to MLPs:
        (i)

        activation functions are on edges instead of on nodes,
        (ii)

        activation functions are learnable instead of fixed.

    Which change is more essential to explain KAN’s advantage? We present our preliminary results in Appendix B where we study a model which has (ii), i.e., activation functions are learnable (like KANs), but not (i), i.e., activation functions are on nodes (like MLPs). Moreover, one can also construct another model with fixed activations (like MLPs) but on edges (like KANs).
    (4)

    Adaptivity. Thanks to the intrinsic locality of spline basis functions, we can introduce adaptivity in the design and training of KANs to enhance both accuracy and efficiency: see the idea of multi-level training like multigrid methods as in [93, 94], or domain-dependent basis functions like multiscale methods as in [95].

Application aspects: We have presented some preliminary evidences that KANs are more effective than MLPs in science-related tasks, e.g., fitting physical equations and PDE solving. We expect that KANs may also be promising for solving Navier-Stokes equations, density functional theory, or any other tasks that can be formulated as regression or PDE solving. We would also like to apply KANs to machine-learning-related tasks, which would require integrating KANs into current architectures, e.g., transformers – one may propose “kansformers” which replace MLPs by KANs in transformers.

KAN as a “language model” for AI + Science The reason why large language models are so transformative is because they are useful to anyone who can speak natural language. The language of science is functions. KANs are composed of interpretable functions, so when a human user stares at a KAN, it is like communicating with it using the language of functions. This paragraph aims to promote the AI-Scientist-Collaboration paradigm rather than our specific tool KANs. Just like people use different languages to communicate, we expect that in the future KANs will be just one of the languages for AI + Science, although KANs will be one of the very first languages that would enable AI and human to communicate. However, enabled by KANs, the AI-Scientist-Collaboration paradigm has never been this easy and convenient, which leads us to rethink the paradigm of how we want to approach AI + Science: Do we want AI scientists, or do we want AI that helps scientists? The intrinsic difficulty of (fully automated) AI scientists is that it is hard to make human preferences quantitative, which would codify human preferences into AI objectives. In fact, scientists in different fields may feel differently about which functions are simple or interpretable. As a result, it is more desirable for scientists to have an AI that can speak the scientific language (functions) and can conveniently interact with inductive biases of individual scientist(s) to adapt to a specific scientific domain.

Final takeaway: Should I use KANs or MLPs?

Currently, the biggest bottleneck of KANs lies in its slow training. KANs are usually 10x slower than MLPs, given the same number of parameters. We should be honest that we did not try hard to optimize KANs’ efficiency though, so we deem KANs’ slow training more as an engineering problem to be improved in the future rather than a fundamental limitation. If one wants to train a model fast, one should use MLPs. In other cases, however, KANs should be comparable or better than MLPs, which makes them worth trying. The decision tree in Figure 6.1 can help decide when to use a KAN. In short, if you care about interpretability and/or accuracy, and slow training is not a major concern, we suggest trying KANs.
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Figure 6.1: Should I use KANs or MLPs?
Acknowledgement

We would like to thank Mikail Khona, Tomaso Poggio, Pingchuan Ma, Rui Wang, Di Luo, Sara Beery, Catherine Liang and Matthieu Darcy for fruitful discussion and constructive suggestions. Z.L., F.R., J.H., M.S. and M.T. are supported by IAIFI through NSF grant PHY-2019786. The work of FR is in addition supported by the NSF grant PHY-2210333 and by startup funding from Northeastern University. Y.W and T.H are supported by the NSF Grant DMS-2205590 and the Choi Family Gift Fund. S. V. and M. S. acknowledge support from the U.S. Office of Naval Research (ONR) Multidisciplinary University Research Initiative (MURI) under Grant No. N00014-20-1-2325 on Robust Photonic Materials with Higher-Order Topological Protection.
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Appendix
Appendix A KAN Functionalities

Table 7 includes common functionalities that users may find useful.
Functionality 	Descriptions
model.train(dataset) 	training model on dataset
model.plot() 	plotting
model.prune() 	pruning
model.fix_symbolic(l,i,j,fun) 	fix the activation function ϕl,i,j to be the symbolic function fun
model.suggest_symbolic(l,i,j) 	suggest symbolic functions that match the numerical value of ϕl,i,j
model.auto_symbolic() 	use top 1 symbolic suggestions from suggest_symbolic to replace all activation functions
model.symbolic_formula() 	return the symbolic formula
Table 7: KAN functionalities
Appendix B Learnable activation networks (LANs)
B.1 Architecture

Besides KAN, we also proposed another type of learnable activation networks (LAN), which are almost MLPs but with learnable activation functions parametrized as splines. KANs have two main changes to standard MLPs: (1) the activation functions become learnable rather than being fixed; (2) the activation functions are placed on edges rather than nodes. To disentangle these two factors, we also propose learnable activation networks (LAN) which only has learnable activations but still on nodes, illustrated in Figure B.1.

For a LAN with width N, depth L, and grid point number G, the number of parameters is N2⁢L+N⁢L⁢G where N2⁢L is the number of parameters for weight matrices and N⁢L⁢G is the number of parameters for spline activations, which causes little overhead in addition to MLP since usually G≪N so N⁢L⁢G≪N2⁢L. LANs are similar to MLPs so they can be initialized from pretrained MLPs and fine-tuned by allowing learnable activation functions. An example is to use LAN to improve SIREN, presented in Section  B.3.

Comparison of LAN and KAN. Pros of LANs:

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    LANs are conceptually simpler than KANs. They are closer to standard MLPs (the only change is that activation functions become learnable).
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    LANs scale better than KANs. LANs/KANs have learnable activation functions on nodes/edges, respectively. So activation parameters in LANs/KANs scale as N/N2, where N is model width.

Cons of LANs:

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    LANs seem to be less interpretable (weight matrices are hard to interpret, just like in MLPs);
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    LANs also seem to be less accurate than KANs, but still more accurate than MLPs. Like KANs, LANs also admit grid extension if theLANs’ activation functions are parametrized by splines.

B.2 LAN interpretability results
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Figure B.1: Training of a learnable activation network (LAN) on the toy example f⁢(x,y)=exp⁢(sin⁢(π⁢x)+y2).
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Figure B.2: LANs on synthetic examples. LANs do not appear to be very interpretable. We conjecture that the weight matrices leave too many degree of freedoms.

We present preliminary interpretabilty results of LANs in Figure B.2. With the same examples in Figure 4.1 for which KANs are perfectly interpretable, LANs seem much less interpretable due to the existence of weight matrices. First, weight matrices are less readily interpretable than learnable activation functions. Second, weight matrices bring in too many degrees of freedom, making learnable activation functions too unconstrained. Our preliminary results with LANs seem to imply that getting rid of linear weight matrices (by having learnable activations on edges, like KANs) is necessary for interpretability.
B.3 Fitting Images (LAN)
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Figure B.3: A SIREN network (fixed sine activations) can be adapted to LANs (learnable activations) to improve image representations.

Implicit neural representations view images as 2D functions f⁢(x,y), where the pixel value f is a function of two coordinates of the pixel x and y. To compress an image, such an implicit neural representation (f is a neural network) can achieve impressive compression of parameters while maintaining almost original image quality. SIREN [96] proposed to use MLPs with periodic activation functions to fit the function f. It is natural to consider other activation functions, which are allowed in LANs. However, since we initialize LAN activations to be smooth but SIREN requires high-frequency features, LAN does not work immediately. Note that each activation function in LANs is a sum of the base function and the spline function, i.e., ϕ⁢(x)=b⁢(x)+spline⁢(x), we set b⁢(x) to sine functions, the same setup as in SIREN but let spline⁢(x) be trainable. For both MLP and LAN, the shape is [2,128,128,128,128,128,1]. We train them with the Adam optimizer, batch size 4096, for 5000 steps with learning rate 10−3 and 5000 steps with learning rate 10−4. As shown in Figure B.3, the LAN (orange) can achieve higher PSNR than the MLP (blue) due to the LAN’s flexibility to fine tune activation functions. We show that it is also possible to initialize a LAN from an MLP and further fine tune the LAN (green) for better PSNR. We have chosen G=5 in our experiments, so the additional parameter increase is roughly G/N=5/128≈4% over the original parameters.
Appendix C Dependence on hyperparameters

We show the effects of hyperparamters on the f⁢(x,y)=exp⁢(sin⁢(π⁢x)+y2) case in Figure C.1. To get an interpretable graph, we want the number of active activation functions to be as small (ideally 3) as possible.

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    We need entropy penalty to reduce the number of active activation functions. Without entropy penalty, there are many duplicate functions.
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    Results can depend on random seeds. With some unlucky seed, the pruned network could be larger than needed.
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    The overall penalty strength λ effectively controls the sparsity.
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    The grid number G also has a subtle effect on interpretability. When G is too small, because each one of activation function is not very expressive, the network tends to use the ensembling strategy, making interpretation harder.
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    The piecewise polynomial order k only has a subtle effect on interpretability. However, it behaves a bit like the random seeds which do not display any visible pattern in this toy example.

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Figure C.1: Effects of hyperparameters on interpretability results.
Appendix D Feynman KANs

We include more results on the Feynman dataset (Section 3.3). Figure D.1 shows the pareto frontiers of KANs and MLPs for each Feynman dataset. Figure D.3 and D.2 visualize minimal KANs (under the constraint test RMSE <10−2) and best KANs (with the lowest test RMSE loss) for each Feynman equation fitting task.
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Figure D.1: The Pareto Frontiers of KANs and MLPs for Feynman datasets.
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Figure D.2: Best Feynman KANs
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Figure D.3: Minimal Feynman KANs
Appendix E Remark on grid size

For both PDE and regression tasks, when we choose the training data on uniform grids, we witness a sudden increase in training loss (i.e., sudden drop in performance) when the grid size is updated to a large level, comparable to the different training points in one spatial direction. This could be due to implementation of B-spline in higher dimensions and needs further investigation.
Appendix F KANs for special functions

We include more results on the special function dataset (Section 3.2). Figure F.2 and F.1 visualize minimal KANs (under the constraint test RMSE <10−2) and best KANs (with the lowest test RMSE loss) for each special function fitting task.
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Figure F.1: Best special KANs
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Figure F.2: Minimal special KANs


Can KAN be used for model merging?
ASSISTANT
Yes, Kolmogorov-Arnold Networks (KANs) can potentially be used for model merging due to their unique architecture and the interpretability of their learnable activation functions. Here’s a detailed rationale and considerations for using KANs for model merging:

### Rationale for Using KANs for Model Merging

1. **Learnable Activation Functions:**
   - KANs implement learnable activation functions instead of fixed ones, which are parameterized as splines. This makes them highly adaptable and able to represent complex functions more efficiently.
   - The learnability of these functions can be exploited to merge models by fine-tuning the activation functions in a way that reconciles different models' learned representations.

2. **Interpretable Layers:**
   - KANs place activation functions on the edges (i.e., weights) rather than at the nodes (i.e., neurons). This makes it possible to visualize and understand the network's learned transformations more intuitively. 
   - This feature aids in understanding and combining the internal workings of different models during the merging process.

3. **Compositional Structure:**
   - Inspired by the Kolmogorov-Arnold theorem, KANs decompose multivariate functions into compositions of univariate functions and additions. This decomposition facilitates the merging of models as it breaks down the merging process into simpler, more manageable operations on the univariate functions.
   - The compositional structure can help identify and align similar components from different models, making integration smoother.

### Potential Approach for Merging Models with KANs

1. **Identify Common Structures:**
   - Begin by identifying similarities and common substructures between the models. KANs' interpretability helps in this step by visualizing the univariate functions and their compositions.

2. **Align Activation Functions:**
   - Next, align the activation functions of the different models. This could involve fine-tuning the spline parameters of the activation functions so that they represent similar transformations.

3. **Integrate Layers:**
   - Combine layers of the models by merging their respective learnable activation functions where possible. This would involve merging the spline representations and ensuring that the edges carry similar functional roles across the integrated network.

4. **Fine-Tuning:**
   - After an initial merge, fine-tune the combined model using a training dataset to reconcile any differences and refine the integrated representations. The use of backpropagation can adjust the spline coefficients iteratively for optimal performance.

5. **Representation Simplification:**
   - Use KAN’s simplification techniques such as sparsification, pruning, and symbolic snapping to clean up the merged model and remove redundant or overlapping functionalities.

### Challenges and Considerations

- **Parameter Management:**
  - Merging models could significantly increase the number of parameters due to the spline functions. Efficient management and potential reduction of parameters through pruning and regularization will be necessary.

- **Computational Efficiency:**
  - KANs are generally slower to train compared to MLPs. Merging large models could thus be computationally expensive, requiring optimization techniques to speed up the process.

- **Integration Complexity:**
  - Depending on the difference in original models’ structures, merging can become complex. Iterative fine-tuning and potentially the introduction of intermediate layers might be necessary for smooth integration.

### Conclusion

KANs possess unique attributes like interpretability, learnable activation functions, and a compositional structure that make them suitable for model merging. By carefully aligning and integrating the learned representations from different models, KANs can facilitate model merging in a way that leverages their inherent advantages in representing complex functions. However, practical challenges such as parameter management and computational efficiency would need to be addressed for effective model merging in KANs.